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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Exactly. Sometimes you gotta call a spade a spade. Nothing racist about that, is there? |
Racisit? No. |
YES IT IS! Spade is a racist term for a black person! Are you really that blinded by your hate for non-whites that you didn't see that one coming? |
The expression in English dates back to 1542. It is derived from a Greek expression that dates from the first century BC.  |
Thank you, Oxford. And I suppose the N word is okay because it was never initially intended to be used in a derogatory manner, and its root word just means black? |
As I had no idea that spade was used in the way you said, I did some research. It apperad that in the 1950's and 1960's in Southern USA states such as Mississippi this was the case. However, please keep in mind that members at this cafe come from at least 7 different countries and represent many different regions, dialects, and age groups. I asked my fiancee. who is from South Africa, 100% African about this. She, as I, only knew it as: (a) in the expression in the post here, (b) a small shovel, and (c) a suit for cards. So, for her it was also "news" that it can mean other things. And, by the way, she received her MA in English Lit. from Oxford.
So, what you need to do now to help us to avoid such problmes in the future is to make a complete list of all words that are racist from every country where English is the official language. Be sure that you make a list that covers all regions, all dialects, and at least the last 100 years. Then, we will have less of a concern about making such a faux pas. |
put me on the list with you and your fiancee who only knew those 3 meanings of the word. I, however, been having some sort of flashback about a TV show when I was a Kid that had the word in the title. Thank God for the internet, so I can search that and not reck my brains trying to remember the show. The internet should also make the list of bad words for blacks that you suggested that Straphanger makes a much more easy task. But, not to be racist, he should make a list for every race, nationality, religion, and gender. And others too. Do you think he knows that in some places "fag" is a cigarette?
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:04 am Post subject: |
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Due to the fact that the word "straphanger" is a derogatory word used in the state of Main in USA for someone that is a foreigner, and I being a foreigner in Korea, I find your name offensive. 
There, I can do it too. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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| Kwangjuchicken wrote: |
Due to the fact that the word "straphanger" is a derogatory word used in the state of Main in USA for someone that is a foreigner, and I being a foreigner in Korea, I find your name offensive.
There, I can do it too. |
It's about as offensive as Peckerwood, which isn't nearly as offensive as Coonass. All you're doing is defending the "Kimberly" retards. That's what makes you ignorant, not looking up my nick on wikipedia. |
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Scotticus
Joined: 18 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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It's about as offensive as Peckerwood, which isn't nearly as offensive as Coonass. All you're doing is defending the "Kimberly" retards. That's what makes you ignorant, not looking up my nick on wikipedia. |
Yeah, and what make's YOU ignorant is that you seem to be under the impression that the only things that are offensive are things YOU find offensive. You can't have it both ways. If you find something as unpopular and completely lacking in linguistic significance as "kimberly" offensive and worthy of banning/deletion, then you have to find ANYTHING offensive and treat it the same as the "kimberly" debacle. |
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RyanInKorea
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:10 am Post subject: |
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There can be times when it seems only silly threads are being created and nothing of value is being said, but on the flip side, I have used this site to find valuable information about living/teaching in Korea.
The general forum (and those silly threads) can be a good place to relieve boredom. It's kind of like reading trash magazines about celebreties.
The other forums (especially travel/jobs/buy&sell) are useful and do not tend to have any negative vibes, though some dumb threads have been invading the sanctity of the jobs forums lately.
I don't post often, but reading some of the sheite on here is hilarious. That whole 'kimberly' controversy was classic. Vintage stuff.
Ryan
P.S. Keep it coming Straphanger. What a hoot. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
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It's about as offensive as Peckerwood, which isn't nearly as offensive as Coonass. All you're doing is defending the "Kimberly" retards. That's what makes you ignorant, not looking up my nick on wikipedia. |
Yeah, and what make's YOU ignorant is that you seem to be under the impression that the only things that are offensive are things YOU find offensive. You can't have it both ways. If you find something as unpopular and completely lacking in linguistic significance as "kimberly" offensive and worthy of banning/deletion, then you have to find ANYTHING offensive and treat it the same as the "kimberly" debacle. |
You, sir, need to chill out.
A straphanger, to anyone from New England, is anyone from New York... Yes...anyone from New York. That's all it means. Wikipedia is not a source, people.
And your argument is so straw-man that it should be singing "if I only had a brain." My initial point was that this board is full of childish racism and ignorance. Your post is not proving me wrong in the slightest. |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
| Straphanger wrote: |
It's about as offensive as Peckerwood, which isn't nearly as offensive as Coonass. All you're doing is defending the "Kimberly" retards. That's what makes you ignorant, not looking up my nick on wikipedia. |
Yeah, and what make's YOU ignorant is that you seem to be under the impression that the only things that are offensive are things YOU find offensive. You can't have it both ways. If you find something as unpopular and completely lacking in linguistic significance as "kimberly" offensive and worthy of banning/deletion, then you have to find ANYTHING offensive and treat it the same as the "kimberly" debacle. |
That makes it about time Straphanger being banned, as his username and posting persona are more offensive than kimberly. |
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mheartley
Joined: 18 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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I found it to be on the negative side reading through it a bit before I arrived in Korea, and a few friends I had in Korea told me not to take Dave's seriously as it was supposedly full of haters etc, but after I arrived I'd have to say a lot of it is pretty well founded. There are some pointless and mindless ramblings from time to time but in all I would have to say a lot of the bitching and moaning is related to issues and experiences I think it would be fair to say a lot of perfectly normal people living in Korea could relate to.
As for racism, I think foreigners in Korea get it a lot worse than they give back. Doesn't make it right but makes a little aimed-at-Koreans venting a little more understandable, particularly if whether or not it really is racist is most of the time debatable anyway. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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Our only purpose here is to confuse the Korean netizens who take pride in loosely translating what they see here
and re-posting it with inflammatory footnotes and/or helpful little insights into the English language.
It's just like when they flaunt their newest lifelong foreigner companion to their friends. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| If it bothers you so much why don't you call those that you believe are racists out? |
I don't have to. They prove it time and time again very well by themselves. And what you've just done is defend them. |
Ironically, it often seems that the self-appointed racist/racism detectors are the most divisive people around. They will declare anything racist that could possible be seen as so (and many things that couldn't as well) and then if a person comes by and says, "uh, are you sure you're not reading too much into this? It didn't really strike me as racist," they will retort with, "Aha! So you're on the side of the racists, are you?" It's like a Reign of Terror with the word "racist" replacing the guillotine. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
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It's about as offensive as Peckerwood, which isn't nearly as offensive as Coonass. All you're doing is defending the "Kimberly" retards. That's what makes you ignorant, not looking up my nick on wikipedia. |
Yeah, and what make's YOU ignorant is that you seem to be under the impression that the only things that are offensive are things YOU find offensive. You can't have it both ways. If you find something as unpopular and completely lacking in linguistic significance as "kimberly" offensive and worthy of banning/deletion, then you have to find ANYTHING offensive and treat it the same as the "kimberly" debacle. |
Utter nonsense. Most things are not made up slurs to target one particular ethnic group as "kimberly" was
Those who claim "Oh Kimberly is just a name" are deliberately being ignorant as they know full well that it is USED AS A RACIST SLUR on this board. |
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Bramble
Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Location: National treasures need homes
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 12:52 am Post subject: |
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| Not defending the negativity, but my sock radar is picking up a bad smell ... |
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loggerhead007
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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Don't say what you really think or they will put you on "vacation".
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Scotticus wrote: |
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It's about as offensive as Peckerwood, which isn't nearly as offensive as Coonass. All you're doing is defending the "Kimberly" retards. That's what makes you ignorant, not looking up my nick on wikipedia. |
Yeah, and what make's YOU ignorant is that you seem to be under the impression that the only things that are offensive are things YOU find offensive. You can't have it both ways. If you find something as unpopular and completely lacking in linguistic significance as "kimberly" offensive and worthy of banning/deletion, then you have to find ANYTHING offensive and treat it the same as the "kimberly" debacle. |
Utter nonsense. Most things are not made up slurs to target one particular ethnic group as "kimberly" was
Those who claim "Oh Kimberly is just a name" are deliberately being ignorant as they know full well that it is USED AS A RACIST SLUR on this board. |
I have seen the word kimberly a few times here. What is the origin. All I know is that it is the name of a city in South Africa, and also in Australia. And, I am teaching in a program that just started yesterday, and one of the students has that as her English name. She said it has been her English name for many years. |
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loggerhead007
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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I have "friends" that have been "sent on vacation" for very little. Stay away from cultural comparisons and preferences. You Will have to go. e.g.mikeyboy122, zipperhead2, etc.
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