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woodstock
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 Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: Foreced from Hagwon job and apartment - Advice Please. |
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Yesterday my friend was called into his directors office, a Canadian and his Korean wife are the owners of the Hagwon, just before classes were to begin. He was told that one of the students from the day before had complained that he had hurt him when forced the student to sit down and stop pointing a toy gun at him. The student in question is a trouble maker with a long history of behavioural problems at the Hagwon.
The owner and his wife preceed to tell my friend that either he pays a $500,000 dollar fine for the problems he's caused with the student or he's out of a job immediately. My friend tells these two to get f2#$#@ and leaves.
He's asked to come back that evening after classes have ended. The director tries to get him to come back but still wants to dock his pay for the incident. Again, my friend says forget it and that's when all hell breaks loose. The owner and his wife tell him to out of his apartment the next day by 9 am. They refuse to give him a LOR or anything in writing to say he's out of a job. They refuse to pay him for time worked this month; Let alone provide him with 30 days notice.
Today, he's out of his apartment, out of his job, and has nothing in writing from the Hagwon. The owner is refusing to work any sort of deal and has blown this guy off in 24 hours after my friend has worked for this @#$@# for 9 months.
I've told him to head to the labour board immediately with his contract and explain what happened. I'm aksing for advice as to what he can do and what he should expect to happen. I've been here for 3 years and have heard the Hagwon stories but I must say I was blown away at this owner's audacity and indifference.
I want to help out my friend first and then get even with this @#$$ later.  |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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Your friend should never have vacated the apartment. He should have changed the locks immediately (if he hadn't already done so) and filed for wrongful dismissal with the Labor Relations Commission.
They can't legally kick him out of the apartment; and the Korean police will not enforce the demands of the hogwan owner. |
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woodstock
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Unfortunately, he's out of the apartment now and staying with a friend. I'll have him file a wrongful dissmissal with the Labour board. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Foreced from Hagwon job and apartment - Advice Please. |
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| woodstock wrote: |
Yesterday my friend was called into his directors office, a Canadian and his Korean wife are the owners of the Hagwon, just before classes were to begin. He was told that one of the students from the day before had complained that he had hurt him when forced the student to sit down and stop pointing a toy gun at him. The student in question is a trouble maker with a long history of behavioural problems at the Hagwon.
The owner and his wife preceed to tell my friend that either he pays a $500,000 dollar fine for the problems he's caused with the student or he's out of a job immediately. My friend tells these two to get f2#$#@ and leaves.
He's asked to come back that evening after classes have ended. The director tries to get him to come back but still wants to dock his pay for the incident. Again, my friend says forget it and that's when all hell breaks loose. The owner and his wife tell him to out of his apartment the next day by 9 am. They refuse to give him a LOR or anything in writing to say he's out of a job. They refuse to pay him for time worked this month; Let alone provide him with 30 days notice.
Today, he's out of his apartment, out of his job, and has nothing in writing from the Hagwon. The owner is refusing to work any sort of deal and has blown this guy off in 24 hours after my friend has worked for this @#$@# for 9 months.
I've told him to head to the labour board immediately with his contract and explain what happened. I'm aksing for advice as to what he can do and what he should expect to happen. I've been here for 3 years and have heard the Hagwon stories but I must say I was blown away at this owner's audacity and indifference.
I want to help out my friend first and then get even with this @#$$ later. |
I really doubt that the owner said anything like HALF-A-MILLION DOLLARS. First off a hakwon teacher isn't going to have anything near that, and certainly not in Korean banks. That said he should not have touched the kid.
Do you mean 500,000 WON? |
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sokocanuck21
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
Location: Ansan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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$500,000? That's nuttin, I'm a MILLIONAIRE!
and it's time to pull out the big guns.
flaming bag of dog poop.
that will get the message of injustice across!
but seriously, that really sucks, labor-board the hell out of it! |
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drcrazy
Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: Foreced from Hagwon job and apartment - Advice Please. |
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| woodstock wrote: |
Yesterday my friend was called into his directors office, a Canadian and his Korean wife are the owners of the Hagwon, just before classes were to begin. He was told that one of the students from the day before had complained that he had hurt him when forced the student to sit down and stop pointing a toy gun at him. The student in question is a trouble maker with a long history of behavioural problems at the Hagwon.
The owner and his wife preceed to tell my friend that either he pays a $500,000 dollar fine for the problems he's caused with the student or he's out of a job immediately. My friend tells these two to get f2#$#@ and leaves.
He's asked to come back that evening after classes have ended. The director tries to get him to come back but still wants to dock his pay for the incident. Again, my friend says forget it and that's when all hell breaks loose. The owner and his wife tell him to out of his apartment the next day by 9 am. They refuse to give him a LOR or anything in writing to say he's out of a job. They refuse to pay him for time worked this month; Let alone provide him with 30 days notice.
Today, he's out of his apartment, out of his job, and has nothing in writing from the Hagwon. The owner is refusing to work any sort of deal and has blown this guy off in 24 hours after my friend has worked for this @#$@# for 9 months.
I've told him to head to the labour board immediately with his contract and explain what happened. I'm aksing for advice as to what he can do and what he should expect to happen. I've been here for 3 years and have heard the Hagwon stories but I must say I was blown away at this owner's audacity and indifference.
I want to help out my friend first and then get even with this @#$$ later. |
Bit early for April fool's.
My uncle Bill Gates might be able to help. |
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woodstock
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| Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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500,000 won. My bad.  Sorry for the confusion. Thank you for the thoughts. |
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I-am-me
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:46 am Post subject: |
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Remind me never to work for a Canadian!  |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
Your friend should never have vacated the apartment. He should have changed the locks immediately (if he hadn't already done so) and filed for wrongful dismissal with the Labor Relations Commission.
They can't legally kick him out of the apartment; and the Korean police will not enforce the demands of the hogwan owner. |
Agreed. |
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wylies99
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| a Canadian and his Korean wife are the owners of the Hagwon |
EVERY time I hear about a Canadian or American "co-owning" or managing a hagwon, the hagwon is run like a crapwon and the foreigner is a bigger "cheat-a-teacher" tool than any Korean. Hopefully, everyone who reads this thread will realize this fact, and it's a FACT.  |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
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OP, file with LABOR for money owed and also go to Immigration and get your visa canceled because you've been fired.
DO NOT pay the 500,000 won to the hagwon because that's BS and is illegal ("punishment clause") and the owners know this, but they've OBVIOUSLY been to Hogwan Association meetings and will try anything to cheat their foreign teachers. |
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| a Canadian and his Korean wife are the owners of the Hagwon |
EVERY time I hear about a Canadian or American "co-owning" or managing a hagwon, the hagwon is run like a crapwon and the foreigner is a bigger "cheat-a-teacher" tool than any Korean. Hopefully, everyone who reads this thread will realize this fact, and it's a FACT. |
Again with the hakwon bashing, can't you come up with some new material? |
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Kea Joenee
Joined: 09 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| i dunno, i've liked most Canadians and Brits I've met. Yanks are 50/50. |
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T-J
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul EunpyungGu Yeonsinnae
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| a Canadian and his Korean wife are the owners of the Hagwon |
EVERY time I hear about a Canadian or American "co-owning" or managing a hagwon, the hagwon is run like a crapwon and the foreigner is a bigger "cheat-a-teacher" tool than any Korean. Hopefully, everyone who reads this thread will realize this fact, and it's a FACT.
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Have you heard of all of these "crapwons" via second hand anonymous posts on the internet?
Do you send money to Nigerian princes in exile to get rich as well? I'm sure you are not this way in real life, but I've got to tell you, your reasoning skills do not translate well on the boards.
Really, give us a number. How many foreign hagwon owners do you have direct experience with? Surely it's not so many that you would have to remove your shoes to count. So how many do you know well enough first hand to judge their business practices? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: |
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The real question is: Did the teacher hurt the student in any way? Did he hurt the student enough to lead to legal action for damages? Can the parents go after the school and the teacher? Is there enough for criminal charges?
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| The student in question is a trouble maker with a long history of behavioural problems at the Hagwon. |
Every little monster we have to teach is the "darling little angel" of some inept parents who have spoiled the little tyrant rotten.
In many cases they will go after the school and teacher over next to nothing in their outrage. They may even file criminal charges for a bump or a bruise.
In other cases, they will pursue legal action for civil damages out of greed.
Schools should always expel bad students before they become situations like this. |
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