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[postfundie]

One example would be the Civil Rights Movement in the US. MLK was definitely a progressive. Nelson Mandela also comes to mind. Those who go with the Status Quo are not the ones who bring about change. Do you agree or disagree?

[Kuros]

The thread title says 'change' while the poll says 'social good.' Huge difference.

[Neil]

50/50 innit

If you aren't living under communism thank the right.

If you work under 70 hours a week thank the left.

Both have done good things for the average joe!

[the_wicker_man]

[Ya-ta Boy]

[Axl Rose]

This will be a fascinating poll, eh? Basically, every leftwing poster will vote 'yes' and every rightwing poster will vote 'no'. May as well just ask "are you a lefty?"

[Hater Depot]

[Fox]

I'm pretty liberal, but I think it's pretty clear that innovation and social improvement are by no means the exclusive province of liberals.

[Otherside]

[quote="the_wicker_man]


I disagree - Mandela was total fraud. He was simply another race-guilt opportunist. Africa is less free and Africans are worse off now than under apartied. In fact, Mandela's South Africa now supports apartied in Tibet.

.[/quote]
Perhaps Mandela's South Africa supports Apartheid in Tibet (I disagree with this, but I understand how you could make the link), but Mandela himself doesn't. He along with other prominant South Africans personally invited the Dalai Lama to SA for the conference...the fact that his visa was denied was an issue for the current government and not Mandela himself...

[No_hite_pls]

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[postfundie]

I worded the poll the way I did, because that's about exactly how my left-wing friend put the question to me. Also you have some posters on this board who want to claim that all the progress that women have made is because of the feminists or extreme feminists. The argument goes that extremists like Adrea Dworkin push the envelope and set the terms of the debate.



other than not living under communism can you point to any other 'progress' made by the right..Neil?? Mabye you could point to economic development in Chile or something??

[loggerhead007]

I'll try to recall a comparison:

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes both and gives you some milk.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.


Communism: You have two cows. The goverment takes both and shoots you.


Surrealism: You have a giraffe. The government tells you to take harmonica lessons.

I may have forgotten some. Help me if you remember.

[ManintheMiddle]

Would that be the build-a-bomb Mandela or the reformed one to which you refer? I realize, of course, that in leftwing circles he is a saint but just thought I'd ask for clarification.

Change isn't necessarily good, so you're operating from a false premise.

But, hey, for a chimp--er--chump--er--champ you're doing alright.

[Koveras]

Your question is senseless unless - as most posters here, even the ones on the "right", seem to be doing - one concedes beforehand to the left's ideal of progress, in brief, socio-economic equality. Progress is classic left rhetoric anyway; no Conservatives put any stock in it.

To make this more concrete: if we define "social good" as the leveling of society, the rise of social democracy, the destruction of class consciousness, the immasculation of males and of sovereignty (the male political principle), and an improvement in material "quality of life" for the proletariat, then it stands to reason that most such progress is thanks to the left. If we define social good in some other way, then the left may in fact seem responsible for most of our civilization's diseases.