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xpat
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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yeah, i saw that commercial.
I think just comparing hardware to hardware does not make since. The amount of other features that Apple gives is well worth over 300 dollars, IMO.
It's nice not to have to worry that much about viruses that try and take over the world at this point too.
Macs are well worth the extra cost, otherwise they wouldn't be doing so well. I don't have many friends who have used the same windows based machine for over 3 years, all while upgrading the OS when new versions came out. That's unheard of in the Windows world, and one of the reasons Vista is considered a failure. |
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xpat
Joined: 13 Mar 2008
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Many experts repeatedly warn that all operating systems are susceptible to viruses, and as the Mac becomes more popular OS X will inevitably become a bigger target for malicious attacks.
Regardless, many Mac users don't bother to purchase the memory sucking software that ties up their Windows counterparts. That may change in the event of a widespread attack, but for the moment Mac users aren't buying. |
http://www.pcworld.com/article/154850/will_mac_become_a_virus_trap.html |
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Underwaterbob
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Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:07 am Post subject: |
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| Now if she takes Windows off that sucker and installs a good linux build she'll be set. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| Now if she takes Windows off that sucker and installs a good linux build she'll be set. |
And if the linux lamers every did anything collectively (open-source = like-minded individuals), they could fund an ad that says just that! It would be funny as all! |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Hit 'em where it hurts: Price.
There is no reason why a MAC needs to be so expensive. Especially in this economy. MAC deserves it. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| xpat wrote: |
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Many experts repeatedly warn that all operating systems are susceptible to viruses, and as the Mac becomes more popular OS X will inevitably become a bigger target for malicious attacks.
Regardless, many Mac users don't bother to purchase the memory sucking software that ties up their Windows counterparts. That may change in the event of a widespread attack, but for the moment Mac users aren't buying. |
http://www.pcworld.com/article/154850/will_mac_become_a_virus_trap.html |
I was referring to the latest international virus that was only built to attack Windows. If you did a ratio between Mac and Windows viruses, it would still be close to nothing. Does not mean it will happen in the future, but I don't think Ukrainians know what Macs are at this point. But when they do, we'll be in trouble... |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Hit 'em where it hurts: Price.
There is no reason why a MAC needs to be so expensive. Especially in this economy. MAC deserves it. |
I have a three year old mac that runs the CS3 suite, final cut pro, and other professional apps (all at the same time when needed). This three year old mac was bought for only 1000 dollars.
You get more quality with Mac, imo, hardware specs don't tell the whole story. With windows your more likely to have programs that eat up your computing resources in the background, among other negative things... And when windows upgrades their OS your expected to upgrade your hardware...
Windows is cool, just not for my needs, because I actually feel that Mac is the cheaper option of the two in the long run.
If you have bought two 800 dollar computers in the last three years, that's 600 more than what I spent.
Edit: Although with the exchange rate right now, buying anything Western would be expensive. So I would not buy a new computer right now if I could wait for a better exchange rate, or until I got a job paying in USD. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| swigs wrote: |
| You get more quality with Mac, imo, hardware specs don't tell the whole story. With windows your more likely to have programs that eat up your computing resources in the background, among other negative things... And when windows upgrades their OS your expected to upgrade your hardware... |
Naw, that's a load of shit and deep down you know it.
Maybe hardware specs don't tell the whole story, but they tell 95% of it for anybody who really uses a computer. I might have more programs that eat computing resources, but that's because I have more programs I can use and I have few limitations on resources so who cares? Hell, even rendering video and playing with Photoshop doesn't top out my CPUs or RAM.
And when windows upgrades their OS you don't need to upgrade your hardware unless you're using something low end -- I made the switch from XP to Vista with no necessary changes in hardware. Even my aging machine isn't bogged down because whenever it gets on the verge of being so I can pop in more ram or hard drives or a different video card or whatever. Try putting 24 gigs of ram into your machine, or running eight internal hard drives. Try running down to any computer store and getting a new video card, or lan card, or sound card, or whatever, and popping it in.
So you have a three-old mac that runs CS3, final cut, and a few other things and it cost a thousand. Granted, my 3 year-old machine was more than that when I bought it, but I run CS3 with Photoshop and Premiere at the same time as a dozen other apps with both monitors handling all intensive graphics with no flicker or slow down, and all work files (and some apps) running from different drives so no lag there, either. But if we're really talking costs, I got a new computer for a friend for 600,000 that runs everything and will continue to do so for the next 3 or 4 years with no problems.
Naw, macs are okay for people who like to pretend that they know something about computers, or people who do just a few specific things, but the range and power of a PC ensure that power, or even heavy users, will not be interested in macs. |
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tatertot
Joined: 21 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: |
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I bought a Mac Mini a couple of weeks ago specifically to run Xcode. In order to program for the iPhone/iPod Touch, you must use Xcode on OSX. I was running OSX on a Dell for a while but it was a hassle and really buggy. The reason I bought the Mac Mini was because it was the cheapest Apple computer available. I really like it though, and am glad with my purchase. I will continue to buy Apple computers in the future since I can run OSX and Windows on them to program for both platforms.
The argument that Macs are overpriced can be true or false depending on how you look at it:
1) Person A doesn't know anything about computers and just wants something that will work adequately and look nice. For this person, the computer specs aren't of utmost importance and as long as the computer works properly, the Apple computer is a good value.
2) Person B understands how to build his own computer and knows how much the components inside the Apple computer cost. He doesn't care to use OSX and can install and maintain any applications or operating systems that he wants. For this person, Apple computers are insanely overpriced.
Based purely on the hardware components, Apple computers are overpriced. There can be no disputing that. However, the operating system/software ecosystem and style/usabilty of Apples does make it a worthy purchase for some people. |
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SeoulnPepe
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Mapple. Nuf said.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2fsubA2-c
Seriously, Mac doesn't have to be any more expensive, but they are. Upgrading one is more of a hassle than it has to be.
Speaking of Mac, we've had it with Itunes. It plays some videos and not others. Have had a pain with Lost and certain movie rentals.
And guess what? We found out it's not just a PC problem! Apparently even Mac Pro users are getting the Grey Screen of Nothingness in Quicktime/Itunes with certain videos.! This has been an on-going problem for the past two years... |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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Naw, that's a load of shit and deep down you know it.
Maybe hardware specs don't tell the whole story, but they tell 95% of it for anybody who really uses a computer. I might have more programs that eat computing resources, but that's because I have more programs I can use and I have few limitations on resources so who cares? Hell, even rendering video and playing with Photoshop doesn't top out my CPUs or RAM.
And when windows upgrades their OS you don't need to upgrade your hardware unless you're using something low end -- I made the switch from XP to Vista with no necessary changes in hardware. Even my aging machine isn't bogged down because whenever it gets on the verge of being so I can pop in more ram or hard drives or a different video card or whatever. Try putting 24 gigs of ram into your machine, or running eight internal hard drives. Try running down to any computer store and getting a new video card, or lan card, or sound card, or whatever, and popping it in.
So you have a three-old mac that runs CS3, final cut, and a few other things and it cost a thousand. Granted, my 3 year-old machine was more than that when I bought it, but I run CS3 with Photoshop and Premiere at the same time as a dozen other apps with both monitors handling all intensive graphics with no flicker or slow down, and all work files (and some apps) running from different drives so no lag there, either. But if we're really talking costs, I got a new computer for a friend for 600,000 that runs everything and will continue to do so for the next 3 or 4 years with no problems.
Naw, macs are okay for people who like to pretend that they know something about computers, or people who do just a few specific things, but the range and power of a PC ensure that power, or even heavy users, will not be interested in macs. |
Nice try.
1. I have ran Mac for over 8 years. Never needed a hardware upgrade to run a new OS. Funny how you say Macs are for people who think they know something about computers, because it was actually Windows that had pulled this trick in the past.
2. Why on earth would I want to pop in more RAM, or Video power than my computer needs? If I expand it to the max, it's more than enough. If i want 2 quad core processors with 32GB RAM, and a turbo charged video card, MAC has the option. The Mac Pro features user friendly architecture, so I can drop it all in myself. And I can get more technical support being a MAC owner if I need it.
3. I had an old music production business with a few other MAC owners. One had a programming degree. We originally started on PCs, and had to put up endlessly with an unintuitive, inefficient, sloth of an OS that ground our workflow to a halt. On Mac, we never looked back. There is a reason why most music, and film industry technicians use Macs.
4. The Mac firewall is built in. I don't have worry the latest virus definitions, or spend any money on antivirus software.
5. Web server is built in. Another thing I don't have to buy.
6. FTP Server is built in.
7. Networking on Mac is cut and dry simple. PCs are a networking is a nightmare.
Yeah, I pay extra for my Mac. And it's worth it, knowing what I left behind. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'm using a hackintosh rig with the latest Leopard OS installed. I like the Apple OS a lot but I wouldn't use an Apple machine as my main rig. Mainly because I built my PC in order to run the latest games. I've heard Bootcamp is good but you do lose some fps when playing the latest games.
Gaming is the one area that Windows has the clear advantage over Mac, so I'll be sticking with my PC.
However, if I ever upgrade my dinosaur of a laptop, I'd definitely go Apple - if they revised their pricing. At 1.5 million it is hard to justify when I consider what it will be used for (internet, movies, photos). |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| 1. I have ran Mac for over 8 years. Never needed a hardware upgrade to run a new OS. Funny how you say Macs are for people who think they know something about computers, because it was actually Windows that had pulled this trick in the past. |
It's not a matter of need, it's a matter of want.
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| 2. Why on earth would I want to pop in more RAM, or Video power than my computer needs? If I expand it to the max, it's more than enough. If i want 2 quad core processors with 32GB RAM, and a turbo charged video card, MAC has the option. The Mac Pro features user friendly architecture, so I can drop it all in myself. And I can get more technical support being a MAC owner if I need it. |
Again, it's not a matter of need, it's a matter of want. And if you buy a mac pro you can do some of those things, but you have to be choosier about what you buy and you also have to pay through the nose to boost up the power of a mac to PC levels.
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| 3. I had an old music production business with a few other MAC owners. One had a programming degree. We originally started on PCs, and had to put up endlessly with an unintuitive, inefficient, sloth of an OS that ground our workflow to a halt. On Mac, we never looked back. There is a reason why most music, and film industry technicians use Macs. |
An OS is only as good as what you're used to. For the while that I used OS/X I had the same unintuitive, inefficient problems that you had. The reason most music and film industry technicians use macs is inertia.
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| 4. The Mac firewall is built in. I don't have worry the latest virus definitions, or spend any money on antivirus software. |
Windows firewall is built in. There are a number of free antivirus software programs.
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| 5. Web server is built in. Another thing I don't have to buy. |
Web server? As in a browser? Who would pay for a browser? They're all free.
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| 6. FTP Server is built in. |
Because it's so difficult to type: "ftp://" in the address bar of any browser? Vista Ultimate and Business both have built-in ftp servers, but I'll grant you that not all versions have it. Still, there are plenty of good, and free, programs around.
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| 7. Networking on Mac is cut and dry simple. PCs are a networking is a nightmare. |
What's difficult about networking on a PC? Hook it up and make a few clicks.
(Note: These conversations never go anywhere so I'm not sure why I play PCMACKIE pissy.) |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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My point was, everything I need is built in. If I WANT to upgrade, I can.
When you start talking about WANT, you also start talking about more money on both sides, which starts to level the financial aspect of the original argument.
When the software / hardware offered by Mac does the job as expected, I'm not worried about the lack of other choices. Macs do more with less 'extras'.
Regarding your statement that the user is more comfortable with an OS that they are used to, well, then why do I find Mac OS easier to use than Winblows? I've used both.
Winblows users seem to have trouble with this concept of efficiency because they've been doing things backwards for far too long.
An FTP server, by the way leads to more networking efficiency, not simple keystroke convenience.
And a web server, is a web hosting device. If PC's have that built in, then that's something I didn't know.
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According to GM, a car made by Bill Gates would have the following undocumented features:
1. Every time they repainted the lines on the road , you would have to buy a new car.
2. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn, would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to re-install the engine.
3. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought "Car95' or "CarNY". But, then you would have to buy more seats.
4. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single "general car default" warning light.
5. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.
6. The airbag system would say , "Are you sure?" , before going off.
7. Occasionally for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed hold of the radio antenna.
8. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need them nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car's performance to diminish by 50 percent or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
9. Every time GM introduced a new model car, buyers would have to learn how to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
10. You'd press the "start" button to shut off the engine. |
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