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rollo
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The N.A.T.O. nations voted unanamously to remove the Taliban regime from power by military force if they did not hand over Bin Ladin and close the Al-Queda camps. Al-Queda had been on a bombing and murder rampage accross the world. Al-Queda had murdered several opponents of the Taliban , inside Afghanistan. They had became the murder squad of Mullah Omar. Iranian intelligence had good information of several future attacks being planned in Europe, the Middle East, and North America.
Heres a question for you Big Bird. Why wouldnt the N.A. T.O nations seek to protect themselves from attacks? |
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Tiger Beer
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I've never found it strange that the U.S. is in Afghanistan.
I DO FIND IT STRANGE that all the people who were very insistent we should be in Iraq, seem to be quite indifferent about being in Afghanistan.
I'm thinking particularly of neo-con and neo-con supporters. |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| cause george bush drove some planes into a couple towers |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| So then Sharkey. Tony Blair bombed a subway or was that also Bush ?Who planted the bomb in Bali? Strange that many onhere seem to have no compassion for the victims of such attacks. But "Fake" concern over the plight of the Afghanis. |
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daskalos
Joined: 19 May 2006
Location: The Road to Ithaca
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's all that hard to understand. For years, the Taliban gov't of Afghanistan had offended pretty much the whole world. People were appalled at their style of gov't within the country, as far as outsiders were aware of it. Then the Taliban chose to protect al-Queda after their spectacular attack on the US.
The US had to strike somewhere after the twin towers. To not do so would have appeared weak. Afghanistan offered a 'worthy' target. It had no friends, not even Iran, to complicate it and it chose to protect our enemy.
I don't see a need to get into conspiracy theory or deep dark hidden motives like the spokeswoman for that women's group you quoted. She sounds like she lived under the Soviets too long. I do note that she is free to speak out now, which she would not have under the Taliban. If you ask me, she should stop shooting off her mouth, get a gun and start shooting Taliban so she and her children have some kind of future past the 12th Century.
The only problem I have with the Afghan situation is that it has been handled so poorly by NATO. Years have been wasted. The building up of Afghan defense and security forces is years behind schedule. But even worse, the Afghan government has been woefully inadequate. They got a second chance and have blown it. The main responsibility is theirs. I have even less sympathy for the Pakistani government. They've had since 1948 to get their act together and have dropped the ball decade after decade. |
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Yes. As far as I'm concerned, I'd have been happy with international military engagement in Afghanistan from the moment it became clear that the Taleban were enslaving women. If 9-11 was the excuse, fine. All I can hope is that the renewed commitment there will produce non-medieval results, some day.
Would it be better if backward nations gravitated toward modernity on their own? Sure. And as long as they're not cutting out infant clitorises, I suppose I'm willing to let them "come to Jesus" at their own pace. But yes, I would indeed be willing to fight in an army whose sole purpose was to keep barbarians from mutilating and enslaving their women. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| So then Sharkey. Tony Blair bombed a subway or was that also Bush ?Who planted the bomb in Bali? Strange that many onhere seem to have no compassion for the victims of such attacks. But "Fake" concern over the plight of the Afghanis. |
Actually, that is given as example #8 on this list of Documented False Flag Attacks.
London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack
Culpability cover scenario echoes 9/11 wargames
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet | Updated July 13 2005
UPDATE: London Underground Exercises and the Magically Exploding Terrorists: Important Questions
A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.
On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.
Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.
Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.
The transcript is as follows.
POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.
HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?
POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.
Click here for a clip of this dialogue. Click here for a longer clip where the comments can be heard in their full context.
The fact that the exercise mirrored the exact locations and times of the bombings is light years beyond a coincidence. Power said the drill focused around 'simultaneous bombings'. At first the bombings were thought to have been spread over an hour, but the BBC reports just today that the bombings were in fact simultaneous.
more at link |
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sharkey
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| So then Sharkey. Tony Blair bombed a subway or was that also Bush ?Who planted the bomb in Bali? Strange that many onhere seem to have no compassion for the victims of such attacks. But "Fake" concern over the plight of the Afghanis. |
haha look how mad you got .. i have compassion .. i dotn care about afghanistan .. its just a crapshoot |
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sharkey
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| rollo wrote: |
| So then Sharkey. Tony Blair bombed a subway or was that also Bush ?Who planted the bomb in Bali? Strange that many onhere seem to have no compassion for the victims of such attacks. But "Fake" concern over the plight of the Afghanis. |
haha look how mad you got .. i have compassion .. i dotn care about afghanistan .. its just a crapshoot |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer wrote:
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I DO FIND IT STRANGE that all the people who were very insistent we should be in Iraq, seem to be quite indifferent about being in Afghanistan.
I'm thinking particularly of neo-con and neo-con supporters. |
Well, that could have something to do with the Iraqi mission being far more controversial than the Afghan one, with non-stop criticism and ongoing protests right from the start. Because of this, the neo-cons and their supporters were probably feeling a lot more defensive about Iraq, and thus more vocal in their polemics on the subject.
Also, if you read about the underlying vision of the neo-con inner circle, Iraq was far more more important to the Grand Vision than Afghanistan was. |
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nene
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Location: Samcheok, Gangwon-do
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| Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Central Asian energy. Especially to be able to build an oil pipeline for access to Caspian Sea oil. Consider which states between the Caspian Sea and near-by ports are cooperative to US interests and hostile to them. It quickly becomes clear that a cooperative government in Afghanastan was critical to the US being able to control Caspian oil. And, of course, controlling oil is critical to conrtolling the global economy and world in general. |
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