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Fired in Busan after two weeks need advice
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The moment you stay home without approval or doctor's note, it could be considered as a mutual consent on ending your contract.
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Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zimmerman wrote:
[I don't have an ARC yet. Do you need one to open a bank account?

Pretty sure you only need your passport to open an account. Today, get someone to write your address in Korean or English and go open an account at any bank - I'd suggest KEB.
You'll probably need: your address, passport, and a phone number. If you don't have a phone, just give them something like your work number or a friend's number.

Why are you going to sign a termination notice? If they're going to terminate you, all they need to do is inform immigration - there's nothing for you to sign. Don't sign anything you can't read. And if they're telling you, Sign this and we'll pay you etc.. don't trust them. Get them to pay up first, or get it in writing.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 7:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zimmerman wrote:
Kryten wrote:
Don't sign anything!

If they want you to sign something, ask them to first deposit monies owed to you in your bank account (including your month's work, and the 30-days pay in lieu), and then you'll agree to sign.

Even if they do deposit the money - very unlikely - you still don't need to sign anything.


Oh, shit! I've been so wrapped up in all this I didn't even consider that I don't have a bank account. I don't have an ARC yet. Do you need one to open a bank account? I'm sure you would need an address and I'm getting out of this apartment as fast as I can. Could I just get a check and cash it without a bank account, like in the states?


you need a passport with your approval for visa issuance to open a bank account.
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zimmerman



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: New York

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
The moment you stay home without approval or doctor's note, it could be considered as a mutual consent on ending your contract.


Yes, I understand that this might bring me trouble. At the time I didn't come because she told me that "end of March" I was done. It was the end of March. I didn't have any information to defend myself with, and she made it clear she didn't want me teaching classes, so I stayed home to try to get the proper info. If this is interpreted as such. Fine. I'm not budging. I was fired. There is no way I'm going to resign when they told me to go away and told me when to go away. If I knew then what I know now I would have showed up the next day and sat at my desk and forced them to fire me. Oh, well.

I understand you are just giving me information and I'm not trying to create an argument with you.
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zimmerman



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: New York

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tommy wrote:
zimmerman wrote:
[I don't have an ARC yet. Do you need one to open a bank account?


Why are you going to sign a termination notice? If they're going to terminate you, all they need to do is inform immigration - there's nothing for you to sign. Don't sign anything you can't read. And if they're telling you, Sign this and we'll pay you etc.. don't trust them. Get them to pay up first, or get it in writing.


My contract says if my contract is terminated:

Within 14-days the Employee is required to sign a notice of termination and accompany the employer to the Korean Immigration office to notify the Korean Immigration office of the termination.

I was thinking that this "termination notice" is an immigration document and I would have to sign it not because I was terminated but to terminate the contract/visa. But now that I'm looking at it, it looks like the school's supposed to give it to me, I'm to sign it, and then we are supposed to go to immigration with it. This doesn't sound very appealing to me. I don't want to sign anything the school gives me. Even if it's in the contract. I will sign immigration papers terminating the contract but only if it's in English.

Good Lord this is confusing! When's the "honeymoon period" supposed to start? It seems like I past it up.
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey zimmerman - Kimmi really frowns upon schools that bring people over and then fire them - they have to file papers that guarantees their ability to sponsor a foreign teacher - whatever their financial problems are, they aren't going to get any better if Kimmi finds out they can't afford their teacher they just brought over!

I know you are immensely stressed right now but try and show some indignation about this - this is top of the line, prime num 1 BS this school is showing you - !

don't sign their stinking termination notice - screw'm - tell them you didn't pick up and move halfway around the world to be presented w/their nonsense, seriously!

you might even go down to Kimmi on your own and just tell them you've been fired by your school but you don't think they have enough money to pay you. make a stink but have a place to stay if you do so because you certainly won't afterwards!

anyway good luck and don't worry about another job you'll find one soon enough -
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zimmerman



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: New York

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
hey zimmerman - Kimmi really frowns upon schools that bring people over and then fire them - they have to file papers that guarantees their ability to sponsor a foreign teacher - whatever their financial problems are, they aren't going to get any better if Kimmi finds out they can't afford their teacher they just brought over!

I know you are immensely stressed right now but try and show some indignation about this - this is top of the line, prime num 1 BS this school is showing you - !

don't sign their stinking termination notice - screw'm - tell them you didn't pick up and move halfway around the world to be presented w/their nonsense, seriously!

you might even go down to Kimmi on your own and just tell them you've been fired by your school but you don't think they have enough money to pay you. make a stink but have a place to stay if you do so because you certainly won't afterwards!

anyway good luck and don't worry about another job you'll find one soon enough -


Moosehead, that was very inspiring and you are right. And many of the other posters here are right. I won't sign anything unless it's from immigration, at immigration. I am a bit stressed about this but I think I can handle it. I was expecting bullshit when I came. I just didn't think I would get it so soon!

Also, I hate to keep asking this, but are the immigration documents in English?
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Fired in Busan after two weeks need advice Reply with quote

zimmerman wrote:


My boss is pulling out all these "reasons" why I should leave the school (accusing me of not smiling enough, misspelling words I didn't misspell...things like that).


It coulbe be that you use British English and she wants you to use American English. Just a guess. Hang in there!
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zimmerman



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: New York

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Fired in Busan after two weeks need advice Reply with quote

Harpeau wrote:
zimmerman wrote:


My boss is pulling out all these "reasons" why I should leave the school (accusing me of not smiling enough, misspelling words I didn't misspell...things like that).


It coulbe be that you use British English and she wants you to use American English. Just a guess. Hang in there!


Actually she said I crossed out the word "paw" in a student's workbook and corrected it as "plaw."


I'm not kidding.
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I-am-me



Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom

PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's very plawsible. Very Happy Very Happy
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Tommy



Joined: 24 Aug 2005

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zimmerman wrote:
Also, I hate to keep asking this, but are the immigration documents in English?
Some of the forms are in English, but I doubt all doucments.

If the documents aren't in English, at least the immi officer will be able to speak it. That's my experience anyway, but I live in Seoul. You said you're in Busan, right?
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cck3000



Joined: 24 Dec 2008
Location: Yeosu, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a tuffy. I have heard this before from other people here. They went public. I think public is the ONLY way to go in Korea unless you have a F-4 visa that gives you more flexibility, but if not I would stick with public schools.


I wish you the best.

CK
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zimmerman



Joined: 02 Jul 2008
Location: New York

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the support everybody!

Well, I went in and stated my case. She told me that they were going to withhold my two weeks wages for the airfare. Then she wanted a letter of resignation. I told her I was fired and showed her Article 32 of the Korean Labors Standard Act: stating that 30 days notice was required before terminating a contract or 30 days pay in lieu.

She made a phone call and then said to come in Friday and she would have my two weeks wages, deduct the other two weeks (out of the thirty days) for airfare and we would go to immigration to terminate the contract. At least that's what I think she said, her English is so bad. I didn't want to push it further. I just wanted my two weeks.

I told her that I was leaving the city and I needed it to be sooner than that, but she insisted that head quarters needed to produce a document they wanted me to sign terminating the contract and that it took time for my payment to process. I asked her if the payment was guaranteed and then she said "maybe," and then she said "I think" and then she said "for sure" (again, her English sucks).

Therefore, She gave me the IMPRESSION that I was going get paid and that she thinks it's for the half month I worked but headquarters still had to figure it out. I should have asked for something in writing but I knew she would have said that headquarters still had to figure out how much I was going to get. But again she said it was "maybe, I think, for sure" for the two weeks.

I don't know. Maybe I should have been tougher about getting it in writing. I was sick of arguing.

So anyways, that's where I stand. I have to wait around until Friday and then I will go into the office, they will pay me (I doubt it) and then they will show me a document about terminating the contract. She said it was going to be in English. I know almost everyone on this board is saying don't sign anything, but what if it says in English that the contract is being terminated and nothing else? Would that be alright? Especially if I actually get paid? I know it's not likely, but what if?

I doubt I will get anything. These people seem to be jerking me around every chance they get. And I've been out of work since March, and now I have to wait until Friday. That's two weeks of sitting on my ass right there.

I would like to start applying for other jobs so I do something this week, but I don't know if I should mention this school. I'm wondering if all this will leave a paper trail forcing me to tell them about the place. Does anybody think it would? If I get everything canceled and start fresh?

I know some posters have told me that the new employers won't care if I got fired. I hope so. It's not that I don't believe them. But I hope so. I still don't know how this thing is going to end up and if it ends up bad I would hate to get a shitty reference from them.

This whole experience is exhausting. Meanwhile I have to stay at this apartment. The landlord is this old guy who keeps giving me these expensive bills and I just want to get outta here. I can't even do any interviews in Pusan because I'm planning on going to Seoul.

It's going to be a long week. I can't even really enjoy being out here until this is all finished, and I manage to find another job. Then who knows, maybe I'll have to deal with their crap.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't do any training at your next job. That just gives them a reason for doing what they did to you.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zimmerman wrote:
. I have to wait around until Friday and then I will go into the office, they will pay me (I doubt it) and then they will show me a document about terminating the contract. She said it was going to be in English. I know almost everyone on this board is saying don't sign anything, but what if it says in English that the contract is being terminated and nothing else? Would that be alright? Especially if I actually get paid? I know it's not likely, but what if?

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Ordinarily I would say that would be okay...but what if they copy or forge your signature onto ANOTHER sheet of paper in Korean saying that you quit...or whatever other B.S they feel like coming up with? I'd only sign such a paper once we went to Immigration and then give it to the official. There is no real reason why you have to give your school one...it's not like they keep records anyway. And you can always give them a photocopy once you get to Immigration.
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