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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:22 am Post subject: |
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And please don't give the 2nd Amendment nonsense please. |
NONSENSE!! wow we will not get along! |
Well, ya know, those pesky rights which we always must be bothered with respecting. Can't we just do away with them?
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roknroll
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Beej wrote: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
| sigmundsmith wrote: |
And please don't give the 2nd Amendment nonsense please. |
This is a statement of extreme stupidity. |
Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Source: http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am2
Now does that mean that every American is in the militia? Where the two boys with automatic weapons in Columbine in a Militia? Was the virginia Tech student in the Militia?
And then when you see images such as these it just... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrXx3QA5YHU&feature=related
It's a lot different than the average family day outing.
But little Britain (USA) illustrates the love of Americans and guns perfectly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UgOvJVol8
I won't argue here because I know it is pointless as the love of guns in the USA is unbelievable.
I don't know the statistics but I think it is close to 20,000 Americans are killed each year by guns. Far greater per capita ratio than any other country.
Accidental shootings by children with guns in the house again.
Please, come at me with your reasons you have the opportunity to voice your opinion but I won't respond as it will be pointless. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine.
Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread. But it could have gone onto another Korean bashing scene. |
Far greater per capita ratio than any country? Wrong.
Do you have some stats to refute this? The above refers to killing via guns(perhaps some rifles) vs other means.
Britian has an epidemic of stabbing deaths. I would much rather be shot to death than stabbed to death.
Guess that's your personal preference. Your assuming a gunshot wound and the aftermath would be a 'quicker, less painful' way to die. But that is just an assumption. It may be true in some circumstances, but quite false in others. Let me guess, your thinking a fatal shot to the heart, or head that instantly puts you out, right? Vs someone savegely slaying you with a knife anywhere and everywhere, yeah?
Now, imagine your in a 'life and death' situation, whereby some madman (or woman) threatens to kill you even though you've been a good soul and haven't instigated anything to warrant this. Now imagine you have a choice of what weapon they can use against you. Do you choose: a) a gun b) a knife? Although you prefer to die by means of a gun vs a knife (I'm sure you want neither, but in the case of having no choice and assuming you are helpless/an invalid/waaay too drunk...etc, maybe a gun might be ok). But the BIG DIFFERENCE IS you have a better chance of defending against a knife!! Be it taking a slash on the hand/forearm and getting away, yes running. Or just getting away before even taking the slash, or thrust. Also, there's the distance thing. Sure they can fling the knife at you, then it's done. Not like a gun, where they can keep shooting till the clip is up. I'm sure not too many people have heard of a drive by 'knife throwing'---and there's good reason for that. I'm sure in your response, you've relegated the situation to being 'hopelessly cornered' in some type of room or back alley or something of the sort.
The problem with gun control in the US is that the horse left the barn a long time ago. Outlawing guns now would mean only outlaws could have guns.
The problem with gun control in the US.......is anything but what you are postulating. Getting the genie back in the bottle, trying to unspill milk, etc is not the issue. If you want to look at it exactly that way, we can never stop killings, rapes, robberies, yada yada. So now what? Don't try to curb it in any way? While it certainly isn't easy, 'some curbing' could go a long way.
The problem with gun control in the US, like many other things, has nothing to do with tons of individuals who may or may not have guns/rifles. THE PROBLEM WITH GUN CONTROL IN THE US HAS TO DO WITH LOBBYING!!! The sooner Americans realize that their life does not evolve around 'democracy'/ 'freedom' the sooner they will liberate themselves.
Now, in fairness, we are talking about guns in the US. However, this (scathing?) review extends to all countries ('democracies') in that the citizens have entrusted their political reps to be just that....but we all know that peeps will make a buck/take a buck and the 'system' breaks down.
Back on point, I'm sure the average American would not deny a farmer to have guns (safety/livellihood) nor hunters (livelihood/hobby)or an array of other possibilites. But is there an American (again, we're focusing on life in the US) who truly believes that military weapons should be accessible to any individual who wants to acquire them? That's what the NRA advocates, no restrictions to type or calibre (basically, as far as I'm aware). Even excluding the incidents that have occured with military type weapons (ex. LA bank robbery where the cops were hopelessly outarmed and had to go to the local gun shop to acquire high caliber rifles to deal with the 'troublemakers') the extent and accessibilty of weapons (guns) is quite incredible. And it's not your average joe trying to thwart the government from trying to usurp their humble weapons. The impetus comes from the NRA, aka the weapons producers (think guns/rifles here) who run the campaigns and employ high profile individuals to further their cause. No friggen difference than the shoes you wear, really, that's why they pay athletes outrageous cash to flog their goods----it works! When communities and their respective politicians tried to push for some restraint, yep branded as basically un-American. Took quite a fight just to get a simple 'cooling off/waiting' period of a whole 10 days or so before actually getting your gun. While this is inconvenient for the average sensible person, hopefully they can endure and realize that this small measure in 'arms' control actually does have a basis in reality---they really didn't pull this out of their a...
With freedom comes responsibility and unfortunately some people dont demonstrate this responsibilty.
Tis true. We do have our 'freedom' nipped a bit when we can't say exactly how we feel about others....ya know without us infringing on their rights....and of course we can't do as we want if it impinges (legally) on others.....but hey, don't get in my way if I want to own heavy duty armor-piercing artillery....IT'S MY RIGHT! HOW DARE YOU INFRINGE ON MY RIGHTS! (not aimed at you Beej,  ). |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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from here:
TEMECULA, Calif. � A gunman opened fire at a Korean Christian retreat center on Tuesday night, killing one and wounding three others, authorities said.
The gunman was believed to be among the injured at the Kkottongnae Retreat Camp, and investigators were unsure what prompted the attack, sheriff's spokesman Dennis Gutierrez said.
"We have some nuns that are very distraught," Gutierrez said.
Gutierrez said at least two of the victims were critically injured. A nursing supervisor at the Inland Valley Regional Medical Center near the retreat said she had no information on any of the victims.
Police and emergency crews converged on the rural area off Highway 79 after receiving reports about 7 p.m. that a gunman had shot his wife, said Mario Lopez, a spokesman with the California Highway Patrol. He said one person was dead when they arrived and the other three were hospitalized.
Law enforcement officers interviewed people at what appeared to be a triage center for injured victims, but Gutierrez said the language barrier was making it difficult to get all the facts. He said investigators believe all the victims are over age 40.
The retreat is one of four U.S. branches of the Kkottongnae Brothers and Sisters of Jesus, a Catholic organization dedicated to serving the poor and homeless. It was founded in the city of Cheongju, South Korea, by Father Oh Woong Jin in 1976.
A woman who answered the phone at the group's Lynwood branch on Tuesday night said she did not speak English well and declined to discuss the shooting.
Kkottongnae means "flower village," according to the organization's Web site.
Kkottongnae Web site: http://www.flower-vill.com/
a K Kristian org - any wonder someone lost it?
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So you find someone shooting someone else dead and then wounding three others amusing?
What is wrong with you? |
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cvmurrieta
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Location: Sendai, Miyagi, Japan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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At first I had thought this had happened to some of my former Korean students in Temecula.
But then I read it happened at a Catholic camp.
My former students are Protestant.
Too bad Temecula gets into the news this way. It is actually a pretty place and makes good wine. |
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nosmallplans
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: noksapyeong
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| Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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CATHOLIC. CATHOLIC.
Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic.
Please be specific. |
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wesharris
Joined: 10 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Automatic weapons are not sold legally to civis. Semi-Auto pistols and such are available, I've owned a .45, 9mm and 12 gauge shotgun, as well as a .22 rifle. Haven't killed a single person, OR animal for that matter. In self defense, damn sure I would, in an instant, my family or property takes precidence over the life of an intruder and/or attacker.
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 10:55 am Post subject: |
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We need MORE guns.
Why don't shooters bust into Police stations, Hunting clubs, and gun ranges to kill people? How come shooters don't shoot up random people in front of an Army base?
Could it be because they know there are a crapload of people there with GUNS?
Why is it that shooters target schools, churches, etc...
Maybe because they know there AREN'T any guns there?
Just how successful is a mass killing going to be when as soon as you pull out your gun and kill 1 person, you have 10 other guns firing right back at you? |
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