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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| bacasper wrote: |
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Mr. on,
How does that quote relate to the topic of this thread? I don't get it.
PS: Kuros keeps trying to convince me there are non-nutty Libertarians. Do you concur? |
Mr. Ya,
If you still think we are in just another economic blip that will go away soon, and that there is any significant difference the Democrat and Republican wings of The Party, you have made it abundantly clear just who the nutty one is. |
it is simply not a serious statement to say that there are no significant differences between republicans and democrats. i would agree, however, that they do share a penchant for deferring to the real power, the corporate interests. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Mr. on,
How does that quote relate to the topic of this thread? I don't get it.
PS: Kuros keeps trying to convince me there are non-nutty Libertarians. Do you concur? |
Mr. Ya,
If you still think we are in just another economic blip that will go away soon, and that there is any significant difference the Democrat and Republican wings of The Party, you have made it abundantly clear just who the nutty one is. |
it is simply not a serious statement to say that there are no significant differences between republicans and democrats. i would agree, however, that they do share a penchant for deferring to the real power, the corporate interests. |
Did you forget part of your post here? I think you were supposed to say just what those significant differences are.
Let's see: both parties agree on the wars (Obama's actually widening the war in Aghanistan and going into Pakistan), and both agree on the economy, (Obama giving even more in bailouts than Bush did).
If, as even you admit, they both are doing the bidding of the corporate interests, just how much can they diverge?
I find it hard to take seriously anyone who continues to believe that casting a vote for a Republican or Democrat will make any meaningful difference.
So how about just three significant differences? |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| ubermenzch wrote: |
| bacasper wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Mr. on,
How does that quote relate to the topic of this thread? I don't get it.
PS: Kuros keeps trying to convince me there are non-nutty Libertarians. Do you concur? |
Mr. Ya,
If you still think we are in just another economic blip that will go away soon, and that there is any significant difference the Democrat and Republican wings of The Party, you have made it abundantly clear just who the nutty one is. |
it is simply not a serious statement to say that there are no significant differences between republicans and democrats. i would agree, however, that they do share a penchant for deferring to the real power, the corporate interests. |
Did you forget part of your post here? I think you were supposed to say just what those significant differences are.
Let's see: both parties agree on the wars (Obama's actually widening the war in Aghanistan and going into Pakistan), and both agree on the economy, (Obama giving even more in bailouts than Bush did).
If, as even you admit, they both are doing the bidding of the corporate interests, just how much can they diverge?
I find it hard to take seriously anyone who continues to believe that casting a vote for a Republican or Democrat will make any meaningful difference.
So how about just three significant differences? |
well, republicans want to cut taxes to fix the economy, and believe that the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress. their argument seems to be our recent problems are a result of the economy not being free enough. democrats tend to want to spend more money on social programs and infrastructure, and while they have had to soften their "tax and spend" image to suit the atmosphere in washington in the last few decades, they are more likely to want to raise taxes than the republicans. they tend to blame the recent problems on lack of regulation. it's true that the democrats, being the more practical party, have moved to the center since the 80's, as witnessed during the clinton years, and beyond. and bush was forced to do the ideologically unthinkable late in his term, with the bailout. so in practice, i suppose those who like to make things uncomplicated and neat and easy could say they are basically the same party. but would you really want the republicans running things right now? for me it is largely a question of competence.
as to the wars, you'll get no argument out of me there. but on social issues, no differences? i suppose you'll say that these issues are comparatively less important. alright, granted. but insignificant? |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
well, republicans want to cut taxes to fix the economy, and believe that the free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress. their argument seems to be our recent problems are a result of the economy not being free enough. democrats tend to want to spend more money on social programs and infrastructure, and while they have had to soften their "tax and spend" image to suit the atmosphere in washington in the last few decades, they are more likely to want to raise taxes than the republicans. they tend to blame the recent problems on lack of regulation. it's true that the democrats, being the more practical party, have moved to the center since the 80's, as witnessed during the clinton years, and beyond. and bush was forced to do the ideologically unthinkable late in his term, with the bailout. so in practice, i suppose those who like to make things uncomplicated and neat and easy could say they are basically the same party. but would you really want the republicans running things right now? for me it is largely a question of competence.
as to the wars, you'll get no argument out of me there. but on social issues, no differences? i suppose you'll say that these issues are comparatively less important. alright, granted. but insignificant? |
The Republicans believe in the free enterprise system? Just about every single cabinet pick of Obama's is from Wall Street and/or the financial sector. How much more "free enterprise" can you get than that?
I certainly don't want the Republicans running things now (unless it is the Republican-in-name-only-but-really-a-Libertarian Ron Paul), and I don't want the Democrats running them either.
And I absolutely agree with you on the competence issue.
With both wings of the one Property Party moving to the center and resonsive to corporate interests, just how different can they be? |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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The Republicans believe in the free enterprise system? Just about every single cabinet pick of Obama's is from Wall Street and/or the financial sector. How much more "free enterprise" can you get than that?
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They aren't free enterprise people. They merely plunder, using the state as their primary tool. |
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