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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:23 am    Post subject: What morons are taking these jobs? Reply with quote

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=36925

Maple Bear wants CERTIFIED TEACHERS WITH EXPERIENCE to work 40 HOURS a week for 2.3 to 2.5 a month.

Are people really this dumb?
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sbp59



Joined: 01 Apr 2009
Location: Somewhere in SK

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like a half decent place. You mean the hours are too much for the pay?
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean, actual teaching time? Or a quintessential eight hour day at the institute which includes the usual lunch and downtime?
2.3-2.5 is not bad in itself, for a beginner at teaching. It's the exchange rate that screws it up.
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semi-fly



Joined: 07 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheonmunka wrote:
Do you mean, actual teaching time? Or a quintessential eight hour day at the institute which includes the usual lunch and downtime?
2.3-2.5 is not bad in itself, for a beginner at teaching. It's the exchange rate that screws it up.

The teaching hours seem a bit high. The fact that they only want certified teachers is probably another thing.
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Draz



Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 hours of in-class teaching per week
10 hours of teaching relating duties per week

Yuck. They don't only want certified teachers though, they prefer education degrees. No harm in asking right?
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Insidejohnmalkovich



Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Draz wrote:
30 hours of in-class teaching per week
10 hours of teaching relating duties per week

Yuck. They don't only want certified teachers though, they prefer education degrees. No harm in asking right?


Um ... since when did a 40 hour work week (and that school is including preparation time) become so terrible? Go back to America and try to get a decent paying job with fewer hours.
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sbp59



Joined: 01 Apr 2009
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a certified Canadian teacher. I'm interested because they use a Curriculum that teaches all the subjects as opposed to just teaching English all day. Has anyone worked for Maple Bear? Tell me your experiences at the school? PM me if you don't want to post on here.

Thanks
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D.D.



Joined: 29 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't believe people can't see how much of a joke this job is.

30 hours of classes is extreme.
14 days of holidays suck.
and they ask for certified teachers-hahahhaahahah

I don't have a teachers degree and do 22 classes for 2.4 mil. I also do 6 extra hours a week for 900000 a month.

so my job would look like this.

Looking for teacher to work 40 hours a week.
No teaching certifcate required.
22 regular classes plus 6 extra a week within working hours.
min - 32 days vacation plus Korean national holidays
3.3 million
nice apartment.

I also know many people with better gigs than me.


It also says 30 hours as opposed to 30 classes.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want some experience teaching kindergarten the take-home pay is probably the same as what a starting kindy teacher would make in Canada, and with the cost of living much lower it would actually be more. Of course I wouldn't teach Korean kindergarten monsters for 5.0 +.
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sbp59 wrote:
I'm a certified Canadian teacher. I'm interested because they use a Curriculum that teaches all the subjects as opposed to just teaching English all day. Has anyone worked for Maple Bear? Tell me your experiences at the school? PM me if you don't want to post on here.

Thanks


It is a lot of work to actually teach for 30 hours a week. It's one thing to teach 30 classes in total which is a lot in many cases. Basically, you will be there 2 hours to plan and then work several classes in a row.
That's how those hagwons operate. I am speaking from experience, though I have not worked at Maple Bear. I've had worse working conditions. I once worked 32 classes, and my fellow teachers thought it was insane, and I didn't get overtime.

I would advise teachers to pass up this offer. That's my opinion, at least.
It's not like working a normal job 40 hours a week. Teaching is a whole different animal. Trust us on that.

However, do as you wish.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject: I'd do it Reply with quote

D.D. wrote:
I can't believe people can't see how much of a joke this job is.

30 hours of classes is extreme.
14 days of holidays suck.
and they ask for certified teachers-hahahhaahahah

I don't have a teachers degree and do 22 classes for 2.4 mil. I also do 6 extra hours a week for 900000 a month.

so my job would look like this.

Looking for teacher to work 40 hours a week.
No teaching certifcate required.
22 regular classes plus 6 extra a week within working hours.
min - 32 days vacation plus Korean national holidays
3.3 million
nice apartment.

I also know many people with better gigs than me.


It also says 30 hours as opposed to 30 classes.


I'd do it in a second...for 3.5 million won and two months' vacation a year. Sweeten the honey pot, Pa Bear.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 hours of teaching does not translate into 30 hours of equivalent work back in North American. It's alot more intensive, especially if the kids don't behave.

On top of that you have to prepare. So 30 QUALITY teaching hours take alot of effort.

I have no education degree, no TESOL, and I make 2.4 and teach 20 hours a week. I don't need to prep and have no extra duties.

Maple is SEVERELY underpaying its teachers or SEVERELY overworking its teachers.

The minimum they should be paying is 3.0 million. 3.3 to 3.5 would be better.
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Tobias



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One thing I failed to mention in my calculations is my surcharge for babysitting. If the students want to do it and will make the required effort that learning this subject demands, I'd settle for 3.3 million. However, if I'd be nothing more than a glorified babysitter, I'd demand a additional amount of at least half a million won. Demanding half a million as a babysitting penalty is fair for those playing the pretend game babysitting annoying-ass brats.
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shifty



Joined: 21 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maple pays a Shared health package. Does the capital s denote anything in particular? Aha!! It stands for pension !! Stupid me !
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SandyG21



Joined: 26 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they only take Canadian certified teachers - not USA ones?

I looked into it and the reason was to teach all subjects - looks good on a resume to get an International teaching job.

I think the original OP was just trying to stir things up here.

I have worked in public schools in the states and they do work long days and have prep time - non paid and have to attend meetings and so on and so forth.

I do agree with the exchange rate being down right now - that schools may need to raise wages.
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