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Blue Flower



Joined: 23 Feb 2003
Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:48 pm    Post subject: the contract has arrived.... Reply with quote

hi - I've been offered a job in Anyang, teaching children, 1.9 million won which is apparantly good for a kiwi teacher (?), it is unassisted, though apparantly I will be taking the kids for trips etc, I get 5 days annual leave, which can't be taken all at once - only 2 days together, the recruiter is Geoff Benning from Christchurch NZ - teach-in-korea.com. Does this sound alright? I'm not too impressed with the holiday allocation, so will see about that. I'm just a little bit freaked out about getting to Korea and then finding out that I've been f**ked up the arse. so any help would be appreciated by this complete novice. Confused
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itchy



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah

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justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi--just a few thoughts for you! Very Happy
I'd also ask about the class time hours. After a year of having some morning classes, I am SO happy that my next contract will be from 3-9.
I'd ask for the exact hours to be written into the contract. Nothing is worse than working random hours between 9 am and 7 pm...hour on, hour off...two hours teaching...another break...will this day never end?? Confused

On the topic of hours, will you be teaching more than 120 a month? Many more than that gets exhausting. It may seem like, "Oh, I'm only working 30 hours a week," but the added strains of preparation, living in another culture, etc, really make 30 hours a week as much as you'd probably want to handle.

Another thought--how many students per class, and how many kindergarten classes? The little ones aren't too horrible, but is is definitely more draining to teach them. If you are teaching morning AND afternoon and have lots of tykes, that will wear you out quickly.

I agree that 5 days is WAY too short. The standard is 2 weeks (full weeks, so 9 days if you count the weekends on each side). One would be in the summer, the other in the winter. Also check to see if these are going to be paid vacations.

The wage is pretty normal, but again, if you're working split-shift, lots of kindy-kids, and more than 120/month, it's not too marvelous of a deal.

I have never heard of your recruiter...sorry I can't help you there!

If you'd like to repost with more details or ask more questions, I'd be glad to help as much as I can.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itchy wrote:
Your contract sounds a little on the low side. I've heard that 2.0 million is the norm.


It's only low if Blue Flower meets one of these criteria:

1. Experienced Korean teacher
2. Well-qualified(TEFL + experience)
3. Living in Seoul(Anyang isn't Seoul, though it is a suburb)

Otherwise, it's pretty fair...
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Blue Flower



Joined: 23 Feb 2003
Location: The realisation that I only have to endure two more weeks in this filthy, perverted, nasty place!

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:06 am    Post subject: some extra info. Reply with quote

Thanks for the help guys. I will be mainly teaching kindergarten kiddies, but with some older children coming in the afternoons. I've been told there will be 4 - 6 children per class, and 8 - 10 max (which is VERY small compared to what I am used to.) So do you all think I should state that I want 2 weeks holidays? 1 week in summer, and 1 in winter? I have got a teaching diploma, so I have taught before, but only secondary school. I'm getting pretty excited about the whole prospect. But of course, I don't want to feel taken advantage of, or ripped off. I'm not doing this just to make money either, I am genuinely looking forward to experiencing another culture, which is another reason I want the experience to be as good as possible. Smile
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mad-artist



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are a qualified teacher with experience. DON'T take this contract. Look around more. I'm an Australian high school Art teacher, was offered 1.8..........demanded 2 and got it. Most teachers here are NOT qualified teachers and you are. I'm now on 2.5 in my second contract with same school. Be firm. Your accent will tone down once you are here. Good luck. ps..........the holiday situation is 5 days(including weekend) summer and 5 days winter. That's Korea. I'm used to 3 months holidays with full pay.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mad-artist wrote:
Your accent will tone down once you are here.


It will?!? I never noticed anyone lose their accent over here...

Blue Flower: The holidays are totally up to you to decide, but 2 weeks might seem like too much to your director. I'd go for 10 days in your shoes, but maybe you can get 2 weeks. It's worth a shot to ask...

It's also worth a shot to see if you can get a little more salary-wise...maybe try to get 2.0. mad-artist does have a point: you are a qualified teacher back home, unlike many others here. Be firm...but don't be pushy or conflict-prone.
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paul



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Taiwan

PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 11:40 pm    Post subject: contract Reply with quote

Don't settle for anything less than 2.2 million won, your own apartment, a cell phone and a live in maid, preferably a young Filipina. Razz
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2003 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justagirl wrote:

I agree that 5 days is WAY too short. The standard is 2 weeks (full weeks, so 9 days if you count the weekends on each side).


Is 2 weeks really the standard? I thought the standard was 0 days? I don't agree that hogwans basically give us 0 days of weekdays off.. but generally... thats what the standard way to do things is all about..

Anyhow, 2 weeks would be great.. but most hogwans work on the month-to-month system where you are the teacher of that class everyday for the month.. so if you are gone for 2 weeks partying in thailand.. then.. who's going to teach your class?

Anyhow.. I'm not saying this is right! its not! we should have vacation time!! and thats one of the things that burns out so many teachers in Korea..

But.. anyhow.. i guess my point is that 5 vacation days seems to be just slightly better than the standard which seemed to be 0..

However, most contracts are the 0 vacation day variety.. and then it goes up from there.. but generally any hogwan job that does have any vacation time is usually taken up by 2nd year teachers..

so.. my point being.. that a first-time teacher to Korea who signs a contract with 5 vacation days.. its not really a 'run away from that' situation.. its more the standard quo.. thats basically what they all are when you are applying from abroad and don't have any experience in Korea or within the teaching realm..

Basically they are great places to learn the trade.. you get paid well and an apartment like anywhere else.. you put in your time.. you are allowed alot of leeway to make mistakes (generally).. and all is good.. i wouldn't want to sign one again!! but at the same time.. i wouldn't want to go through my Freshman year of university again either.. but look where it got me Wink
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