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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 8:48 pm Post subject: The Obama Deception |
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The Obama Deception
The full-length version of Alex Jones' documentary, The Obama Deception, is now available on youtube in High Quality.
This extraordinary film explains how this relative unknown went from State Senator to US President in six years, and goes into depth about the power base behind his meteoric rise.
It goes into detail about how he is leading the bankers' efforts to bankrupt the country, but also gives hope and concrete measures on what to do to resist.
Very informative and highly recommended. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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Informative?
Really just opinionated. Not that much data to be had, really.
The film admits that all of history is about Marx's materialist dialectic, and that the rich have always been in power; and thus the movie is all too conclusory. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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goes into depth about the power base behind his meteoric rise.
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You wouldn't mind summarizing that part of the movie, would you? Just the key points, pretty please. |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| i watched this about a month ago and for the first 20 minutes or so i was almost convinced that this was going to be a serious documentary. but it got progressively weirder and alex jones strikes me as akin to a man in front of a mob wielding a torch. but you'll notice he never puts down his favoured weapon, the mega-phone, with which he makes love to himself and his fellow conspiracy fetishists. all the while reminding us of his "libertarianism". |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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Spoiler alert!
It's the Bilderberg thing again. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:23 am Post subject: |
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It is not exactly shocking that the naysayers have come out in full force.
Kuros: Marx isn't even mentioned in the film. If I missed it, where was it?
TataBoy: Get your spoilers right and complete:
The Bilderberg Group
Council on Foreign Relations
The Trilateral Commission
So where were BObama & HClinton on that day they disappeared?
Can you actually refute anything in the film, or only cast aspersions?
Get off the personality cult of Alex Jones already. To paraphrase Dave, play the film, not the filmmaker. |
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Gimpokid
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
Location: Best Gimpo
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone else notice that there appears to be correlation between Alex Jones' level of popularity and DVD sale and the scope and heinousness of the NWO's insidious master plan.
If Jones really cared about us he'd stfu. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Jones is part of the NWO! It is all a ruse to throw us off track.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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TataBoy: Get your spoilers right and complete:
The Bilderberg Group
Council on Foreign Relations
The Trilateral Commission
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I confess. I quit after about 30 minutes. I decided my life was not boring enough to waste anymore time on that piece of... (fill in the blank).
What is there to refute? At the point I quit, Jones had alleged the Bilderbergers were running the world but had not demonstrated it or shown any proof that his claim was true. Again, what is there to refute?
I'm more interested in knowing where you were and what you were doing than where Obama and Clinton were. It's more likely you were the one getting up to no good than those two. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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TataBoy: Get your spoilers right and complete:
The Bilderberg Group
Council on Foreign Relations
The Trilateral Commission
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I confess. I quit after about 30 minutes. I decided my life was not boring enough to waste anymore time on that piece of... (fill in the blank).
What is there to refute? At the point I quit, Jones had alleged the Bilderbergers were running the world but had not demonstrated it or shown any proof that his claim was true. Again, what is there to refute?
I'm more interested in knowing where you were and what you were doing than where Obama and Clinton were. It's more likely you were the one getting up to no good than those two. |
Really? I thought you'd appreciate the historical context and discussions of Presidents Jackson, Lincoln, Wilson, Eisenhower, and JFK.
OTOH, I guess you'd rather not be confronted with all of Obama's lies that are documented in the film with actual clips from his campaign, e.g. immediate withdrawal from Iraq, he promised to filibuster telephone companies immunity then instead voted FOR the bill, no lobbyists in his cabinet, etc.
So you think the fact that Obama and Hillary and other government officials secretly and illegally meet with foreign representatives is not important? OK,...  |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Here are some things former Senator Barry Goldwater had to say about the CFR and Trilateral Commission, from With No Apologies
The Personal and Political Memoirs of United States Senator Barry M. Goldwater (1979):
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| "In its September 1, 1961 issue, the Christian Science Monitor described the Council on Foreign Relations as "probably one of the most influential, semipublic organizations in the field of foreign policy." The Monitor said, 'The CFR is composed of 1,400 of the most elite names in the world of government, labor, business, finance, communication, the foundations, and the academies. It has staffed almost every key position of every administration since that of FDR.'" |
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"In September 1939, two members of the Council on Foreign Relations, Hamilton Fish Armstrong and Walter H. Mallory, visited the State Department to offer the council's services. They proposed to do research and make recommendations for the department without formal assignment or responsibility, particularly in four areas - security armaments, economic and financial problems, political problems, and territorial problems The Rockefeller Foundation agreed to finance the operation of this plan.
From that day forward, the Council on Foreign Relations has placed its members in policy-making positions with the federal government, not limited to the State Department Since 1944, every Secretary of State, with the exception of James F. Byrnes, has been a member of the CFR. Almost without exception the members of the CFR are united by a congeniality of birth, economic status, and educational background." |
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| "I believe that the Council on Foreign Relations and its ancillary elitist groups are indifferent to communism. They have no ideological anchors. In their pursuit of a new world order, they are prepared to deal without prejudice with a communist state, a socialist state, a democratic state, a monarchy, an oligarchy - its all the same to them." |
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| "Rear Admiral Chester Ward, USN (Retd.), who was a member of the CFR for sixteen years, has written, 'The most powerful clique in these elitist groups have one objective in common - they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the United States.'" |
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"When a new President comes on board, there is a great turnover in personnel but no change in policy. Example: During the Nixon years Henry Kissinger, CFR member and Nelson Rockefeller's prot�g�, was in charge of foreign policy. When Jimmy Carter was elected, Kissinger was replaced by Zbigniew Brzezinski, CFR member and David Rockefeller's prot�g�." |
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"The implications in Governor Rockefeller's presentation have become concrete proposals advanced by David Rockefeller's newest international cabal, the Trilateral Commission. Whereas the Council on Foreign Relations is distinctly national in membership, the Trilateral Commission is international. Representation is allocated equally to Western Europe, Japan, and the United States. It is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States." |
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| "Zbigniew Brzezinski and David Rockefeller screened and selected every individual who was invited to participate in shaping and administering the proposed New World Order. In the late 1950s, Brzezinski, an accepted member of the inner circle of academics, asserting the need for global strategies, was openly anti-communist. By 1964, he had modified his criticism of communism." |
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"The Trilateral Organization created by David Rockefeller was a surrogate -- its members selected by Rockefeller, its purposes defined by Rockefeller, its funding supplied by Rockefeller Whether or not the approximately 200 individuals selected for membership on the commission represent the "best brains in the world" is an arguable proposition.
Examination of the membership roster establishes beyond question that all those invited to join were members of the "power elite," enlisted with great skill and singleness of purpose from the banking, commercial, political, and communications sectors." |
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"Most Americans have no real understanding of the operation of the international moneylenders. The bankers want it that way. We recognize in a hazy sort of way that the Rothschilds and the Warburgs of Europe and the houses of J. P. Morgan, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, Schiff, Lehman and Rockefeller possess and control vast wealth. How they acquire this vast financial power and employ if is a mystery to most of us.
International bankers make money by extending credit to governments. The greater the debt of the political state, the larger the interest returned to the lenders. The national banks of Europe are actually owned and controlled by private interests." |
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| "The accounts of the Federal Reserve System have never been audited. It operates outside the control of Congress and through its Board of Governors manipulates the credit of the United States." |
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| "In my view, the Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power -- political, monetary, intellectual, and ecclesiastical. All this is to be done in the interest of creating a more peaceful, more productive world community. Throughout my public life and in these pages I have refrained from judging other men's motives. I have no hesitancy about judging their wisdom and the results of the actions taken." |
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| "What the Trilaterals truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the political government of the nation-states involved. They believe the abundant materialism they propose to create will overwhelm existing differences. As managers and creators of the system, they will rule the future." |
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| "David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski found Jimmy Carter their ideal candidate. They helped him win the nomination and the presidency. To accomplish this purpose, they mobilized the money power of the Wall Street bankers, the intellectual influence of the academic community-which is subservient to the wealth of the great tax-free foundations -- and the media controllers represented in the membership of the CFR and the Trilateral." |
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| "We have arrived at our present position of peril in the world and at home because our leaders have refused to tell us the truth ... unless we, who profess to believe in freedom, wake up, the world is headed for a period of slavery." |
As you can see, the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and NWO are not some whacked-out, wing-nut, loony conspiracy theories. Disbelieve at your own, and the rest of our, peril.
These guys have looted almost everything to the last dime of our present and our children's futures, but you still refuse to see and want to make wisecracks.
But maybe you're right. Everything's fine, or Obama is going to fix everything. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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[quoteOTOH, I guess you'd rather not be confronted with all of Obama's lies that are documented in the film with actual clips from his campaign, e.g. immediate withdrawal from Iraq, he promised to filibuster telephone companies immunity then instead voted FOR the bill, no lobbyists in his cabinet, etc.
So you think the fact that Obama and Hillary and other government officials secretly and illegally meet with foreign representatives is not important? OK,... |
As regards immediate withdrawal, that seems taken out of context. I was under the impression that he said 16 months during the campaign. This article states so too.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2009/03/03/obama_iraq_withdrawal/
Seriously no one with half a brain expected Obama the moment he took office to pull tens of thousands of troops and equipment out of Iraq. The logistics of such a move take time. And not just a few days or weeks but months if not years.
And don't bother with any more of your mistaken impressions, such as calling me an Obama supporter...I wanted McCain to win. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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As regards immediate withdrawal, that seems taken out of context. I was under the impression that he said 16 months during the campaign. This article states so too.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2009/03/03/obama_iraq_withdrawal/
Seriously no one with half a brain expected Obama the moment he took office to pull tens of thousands of troops and equipment out of Iraq. The logistics of such a move take time. And not just a few days or weeks but months if not years.
And don't bother with any more of your mistaken impressions, such as calling me an Obama supporter...I wanted McCain to win. |
The point is his story is constantly changing. If you actually watch the film, you'll see the clip of him from the campaign trail in which he say, "If I am elected, I'll begin to withdraw troops from Iraq immediately." Then it went to 16 months. Then 23 months.
And don't bother with any more of your false accusations. I never called you an Obama supporter. |
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ubermenzch
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Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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It is not exactly shocking that the naysayers have come out in full force.
Kuros: Marx isn't even mentioned in the film. If I missed it, where was it?
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"you know, it's in the Communist Manifesto to have a private central bank, because the private central bankers actually wrote the ideas they had Marx and Engels put up." their researcher guy said this at 64:53.
i am interested in learning more about how the global elites get together and conspire to consolidate into ever larger combines with ownership in fewer and fewer hands. but just because these groups are meeting in secret, we shouldn't assume that this secrecy is covering for dastardly world plots of the sort this documentary assumes they are engaging in. take the trilateral commission. the rockefellers use it to draw together politicians and academics-on-the-make to serve their business interests in government and out. alright, i am interested in this, because i believe we should guard against the corporate interests who have too much power already to affect policy etc. i want to know more. but this documentary does us all a disservice by making this potentially fascinating subject into paranoid ramblings. i want to know more, just not from alex jones, who has ZERO credibility. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
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It is not exactly shocking that the naysayers have come out in full force.
Kuros: Marx isn't even mentioned in the film. If I missed it, where was it?
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"you know, it's in the Communist Manifesto to have a private central bank, because the private central bankers actually wrote the ideas they had Marx and Engels put up." their researcher guy said this at 64:53.
i am interested in learning more about how the global elites get together and conspire to consolidate into ever larger combines with ownership in fewer and fewer hands. but just because these groups are meeting in secret, we shouldn't assume that this secrecy is covering for dastardly world plots of the sort this documentary assumes they are engaging in. take the trilateral commission. the rockefellers use it to draw together politicians and academics-on-the-make to serve their business interests in government and out. alright, i am interested in this, because i believe we should guard against the corporate interests who have too much power already to affect policy etc. i want to know more. but this documentary does us all a disservice by making this potentially fascinating subject into paranoid ramblings. i want to know more, just not from alex jones, who has ZERO credibility. |
Thanks for pointing that out.
The point about the secret meetings is that they are illegal for American government officials with representatives of foreign governments.
And if a private group like the CFR is wielding all this influence don't you think it is something we ought to know about?
It seems the things you want to know about are exactly those which Jones is exposing. "Paranoid" means fearful with no basis in reality. Specifically, what are Jones' "paranoid ramblings," and what has he said or done to lose all credibility in your eyes? |
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