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dmbfan
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 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: Did she...or didn't she? |
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Honestly, I dont care all that much. As long as it saves American lives, I'm all for a little simulated drowning.
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0409/Pelosi_I_didnt_know_about_waterboarding.html
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Pelosi: I didn't know about use of waterboarding
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is pushing back on GOP charges that she knew about waterboarding for years and did nothing.
Pelosi says she was briefed by Bush administration officials on the legal justification for using waterboarding � but that they never followed through on promises to inform her when they actually began using "enhanced" interrogation techniques
"In that or any other briefing�we were not, and I repeat, were not told that waterboarding or any of these other enhanced interrogation techniques were used. What they did tell us is that they had some legislative counsel ... opinions that they could be used," she told reporters today.
Earlier, House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) criticized Pelosi and other Democratic leaders for backing probes into the use of waterboarding � after reportedly failing to raise objections during a briefing on its potential use in 2002.
"Well, yesterday I saw a partial list of the number of members of the House and Senate, Democrats and Republicans, who were briefed on these interrogation methods and not a word was raised at the time, not one word," Boehner told reporters at his weekly news availability.
"And I think you're going to hear more and more about the bigger picture here, that what � the war on terror after 9/11 was done in a bipartisan basis on lots of fronts. And that bigger story will be coming out," he added.
Pelosi says members who receive classified intelligence briefings are powerless to act on them � or even discuss them with staff -- due to confidentiality requirements.
As a consequence, some members simply skip classified briefings to avoid being "hamstrung" by requirements they keep silent on the topics discussed. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| She knew. It was widely reported a long time ago that she was informed. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| She knew. It was widely reported a long time ago that she was informed |
Yeah...can't really single her out on this one. She is doing what most politicians do...........while throwing the blame on fromer President Bush.
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I really dislike her. Something about her.. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I really dislike her. Something about her.. |
Most fair minded people don't.
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loggerhead007
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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Only her hairdresser knows for sure.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if she did or not, but what it sounds like is the people who created the policies want to drag her down with them. Classy. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know if she did or not, but what it sounds like is the people who created the policies want to drag her down with them. Classy. |
If she was smart, she would admit to knowing and supporting such measures in drastic times, only to save American lives.
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JMO
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:05 am Post subject: |
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A : Torture has never been proven to be effective in getting real information.
B: How far would you go with that 'save American lives' thing you got going on?
Terrorist will only talk(you've exhausted other avenues) if you threaten to blow his son's brains out after already raping his 12 year old daughter. I can guarantee you that this will save many many American lives. Ok? |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:55 am Post subject: |
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A : Torture has never been proven to be effective in getting real information.
B: How far would you go with that 'save American lives' thing you got going on?
Terrorist will only talk(you've exhausted other avenues) if you threaten to blow his son's brains out after already raping his 12 year old daughter. I can guarantee you that this will save many many American lives. Ok? |
....as far as needed.
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| dmbfan wrote: |
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A : Torture has never been proven to be effective in getting real information.
B: How far would you go with that 'save American lives' thing you got going on?
Terrorist will only talk(you've exhausted other avenues) if you threaten to blow his son's brains out after already raping his 12 year old daughter. I can guarantee you that this will save many many American lives. Ok? |
....as far as needed.
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So if you need to kill/rape a child to save American lives(being too bone headed to realize that torture doesn't work anyway) you would. Good to know. Freedom isn't free...Americaaaaaaaaa...f*ck yeaaaaaa. |
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dmbfan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| So if you need to kill/rape a child to save American lives(being too bone headed to realize that torture doesn't work anyway) you would. Good to know. |
Mmmm...I'll leave the rape part to you.
But, if leading a terrorist to believe that his/her son/daughter would die unless he/she reveals information that would save (the number has to be high) American lives..........well, then it has to be done.
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JMO
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| So if you need to kill/rape a child to save American lives(being too bone headed to realize that torture doesn't work anyway) you would. Good to know. |
Mmmm...I'll leave the rape part to you.
But, if leading a terrorist to believe that his/her son/daughter would die unless he/she reveals information that would save (the number has to be high) American lives..........well, then it has to be done.
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Oh no. He won't believe it unless he is holding the severed head of his son in his hands and you are about to do the deed with his daughter.
And it would have to be high? Interesting...so what is the math? How many americans would need to be on the line for you to murder and rape kids?
I love the fact that somewhere in that skull of yours you think torture is effective in saving American lives. Admit it, you are fond of the odd 24 marathon? |
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mises
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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So if you need to kill/rape a child to save American lives(being too bone headed to realize that torture doesn't work anyway) you would. Good to know. Freedom isn't free...Americaaaaaaaaa...f*ck yeaaaaaa. |
Seems most Americans disagree with dmb. So yes. America, *beep* yeah.
In 25 years when this period of history is examined, the torture will be seen in a context of an over reaction to 9/11. Having recovered from the shock of that event, the American people are not willing to tolerate these abuses. Obama has put an end to the methods and there is very little opposition to this. |
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JMO
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 8:43 am Post subject: |
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So if you need to kill/rape a child to save American lives(being too bone headed to realize that torture doesn't work anyway) you would. Good to know. Freedom isn't free...Americaaaaaaaaa...f*ck yeaaaaaa. |
Seems most Americans disagree with dmb. So yes. America, *beep* yeah.
In 25 years when this period of history is examined, the torture will be seen in a context of an over reaction to 9/11. Having recovered from the shock of that event, the American people are not willing to tolerate these abuses. Obama has put an end to the methods and there is very little opposition to this. |
If you posed the question like this,
" Is it ok to torture terrorist suspects when American people's lives are in a clear and present danger from a large scale terrorist attack?"
, I think a sizeable chunk of Americans would agree. Although if you inserted Irish instead of American, then a similar chunk of Irish people would probably agree also. If you inserted a euphemism for torture, then an even larger chunk would agree.
If people were educated about the effectiveness of torture or lack of, maybe this chunk would of people would be much smaller. |
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