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Is, "there're," a proper contraction of there are?
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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:31 am    Post subject: Is, "there're," a proper contraction of there are? Reply with quote

Spell checkers say it's incorrect, but Wictionary says yes it's indeed a colloquial contraction. http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/there%27re

I've always used it and knew it must be a part of the English language as I couldn't be inventing things. Peoplelator, fatilator, and robotanator are my latest invented words. Peoplelators are inclined conveyor belts in Emart stores. Fatilator is that machine you put a belt around your waist that shakes the excess RAM out of you and robotanators are robot making drones who don't have a life as they work 7 days a week and recharge on the sojuvinator 7 nights a week.

Since, there're is casual as in being colloquial, can it be used in professional writing such as posting on Daves, letters to the editor, and any reports as well as resumes?

I know this is such a dumb geeky question to be asking on a Friday night, but I'm a geeky 'bot all alone on moon base K. Wink
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John_ESL_White



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can use it on Dave's, the rest of the internet, while teaching Korean, and while pursuing your on-line master's or even Ph.D. You can not use it in a physical university classroom in the United States. Other countries may vary.

I like "procrasturbation". It's when you put things you need to do off and masterbate instead.


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jajdude



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000,000 for there're (google)

Would never use it myself, in writing, certainly nothing formal, and doubt it ever gets used in academic work,

it looks wrong and crappy

so, there you're and there you've it. What's it? no idear.
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poet13



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Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.

PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I teach students that written and spoken English are two different languages. That is, there are things we would say but never write, and vice versa. When we do write those things, we are usually reporting something said.
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crazy_arcade



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000,000 for there're (google)

Would never use it myself, in writing, certainly nothing formal, and doubt it ever gets used in academic work,

it looks wrong and crappy

so, there you're and there you've it. What's it? no idear.


Well, technically, no contractions should ever be used in academic work.
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losing_touch



Joined: 26 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazy_arcade wrote:
jajdude wrote:
Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000,000 for there're (google)

Would never use it myself, in writing, certainly nothing formal, and doubt it ever gets used in academic work,

it looks wrong and crappy

so, there you're and there you've it. What's it? no idear.


Well, technically, no contractions should ever be used in academic work.


Yes, this is the truth. If contractions were used in most of my university classes, there would be a red mark on the page. This is especially true in my linguistics/teaching coursework. While I use them on internet boards, I would never use them in any kind of formal writing.
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Robot_Teacher



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

losing_touch wrote:
crazy_arcade wrote:
jajdude wrote:
Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000,000 for there're (google)

Would never use it myself, in writing, certainly nothing formal, and doubt it ever gets used in academic work,

it looks wrong and crappy

so, there you're and there you've it. What's it? no idear.


Well, technically, no contractions should ever be used in academic work.


Yes, this is the truth. If contractions were used in most of my university classes, there would be a red mark on the page. This is especially true in my linguistics/teaching coursework. While I use them on internet boards, I would never use them in any kind of formal writing.


Agreed. It makes you look lazy and short cutting on your work rather than being thorough in your research and writing efforts. What about those newly invented words that end in, "-ator," such as travelator verbally used in Hong Kong airport? I thought that was cute and funny. That's where this robotonator got the idea. Guess it could work since we have generator and alternator; 2 words invented to describe technology. Ther're are many other new words being invented as we speak due to changes in culture, ideas, and technology. Well, linguistics evolve like technology does, but at a slower pace. Cor blimey, it's time to go back to robotacademy. Wink
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RACETRAITOR



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Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As somebody who's run across it professionally, no, it's not correct unless you're transcribing verbal speech. That said, it's at least as acceptable as shiait like "restaraunt" or "I could care less" which you see on this site all the time.
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Sector7G



Joined: 24 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jajdude wrote:
Results 1 - 10 of about 337,000,000 for there're (google)

Would never use it myself, in writing, certainly nothing formal, and doubt it ever gets used in academic work,

it looks wrong and crappy

so, there you're and there you've it. What's it? no idear.


Wow-I was thinking about contractions not being used this way just the other day.

Also, when my daughter was 5 or 6, she formed a new contraction of her own. Instead of saying, "No, I am not", she said, "No I amn't".
I remember wondering why that was wrong and "isn't instead of is not" was acceptable.

And Robot_Teacher, how do you pronounce there're? Is it like therror?
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Robot_Teacher



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it can sound like, "therror," but it can also sound like, "there are."
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tzechuk



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

*I could care less* REALLY gets on my nerve! Grrr.. I hate it when people write that, and yet, apparently, it is now an acceptable alternative.
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Sector7G



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tzechuk wrote:
*I could care less* REALLY gets on my nerve! Grrr.. I hate it when people write that, and yet, apparently, it is now an acceptable alternative.


Yeah, I feel like saying it sometimes just to make a point, but I would add to it. For example," I could care less, but I don't see how", or something to that effect.

Not that I want to obsess about it like George Constanza trying to find the perfect "the jerk store called" come back.
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Harpeau



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jinro Soju, Ooroosa minerals and Power Aid got together and invented the SOJUVINATOR!! - Now you can blackout and just keep going!! Very Happy
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Ruthdes



Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh oh! My vote for my pet-hate non-word (well two votes)

IRREGARDLESS

Arggh! This isn't a word! Use regardless or irrespective! This is an unnecessary mixture of two totally acceptable words that adds nothing to the English language. But guess what's an acceptable word on Facebook Scrabble?!

CONVERSATE

I have colleagues who use this. The verb is "converse". But hell, just use "talk" for god's sake you tosser. Thankfully this isn't an acceptable word on Scrabble (which has become my de facto dictionary).
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

poet13 wrote:
I teach students that written and spoken English are two different languages. That is, there are things we would say but never write, and vice versa. When we do write those things, we are usually reporting something said.


There.you.go.

I think it depends on the students you're teaching. Uni level and under that plan on taking TOEFL/TOEIC tests or such then don't confuse them. BUT adult level that wanna to learn "real" conversation skills, I say go for it.

Harpeau wrote:

Jinro Soju, Ooroosa minerals and Power Aid got together and invented the SOJUVINATOR!! - Now you can blackout and just keep going!!


I'm there if you name the day and time!

self edit: This outta be in another form, outta'n it?
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