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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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Whistleblower,
Is there a thread where we can just discuss your Avatar?? |
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harlowethrombey
Joined: 17 Mar 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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| It's either Eddie Diesen at any give moment or some poor schmuck foreigner doing their best Eddie impression at an English Village. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| FistFace wrote: |
| You guys can keep the 1 hour in the AM corporate gigs. Block shifts at public schools or hagwons at 40,000 an hour is what I would jump at. As soon as you start piece'n and cut'n up the day, you're out of day and have no life. Sure, you're making money, but what's the point if you've got no life? |
Thats not really true. Its all about combining in a way to maximize work time and minimize travel time. For example, I used to work an hour in the morning, 7-8am for 55,000 an hour 5 days a week. I would then do 9am to 1pm at 45,000 Monday to Friday, followed by a 2pm to 4pm gig at 50,000 and then do my studyroom for 2 hours a day. Id sort of piece and cut things together but the travel time would be minimal and I maximized my working time. doing the math it brought me 335,000 a day without counting my studyroom money. I also used to do 8 hours on the weekend at 50,000 an hour at the same school but after a year of that I gave it up.
I did that sort of schedule for about 3 years without letting up. Ofcourse jobs would change and the scgedule would too so sometimes there was more work than other times, which sometimes meant less money but sometimes more. I remember having a private lesson where the deal was 80,000 an hour for 2 hours, but the real working time really only turned out to be an hour even though I was still paid for 2.
Would I worry about E2s? Not at all. After about 3 years I have over 15 different companies on my CV, and experience teaching anything from grammar to test prep to conversation to presentation making. I have experience at large and small companies, teaching new recruits, mid level management up to high level chaebol execs. Am I worried I would lose a job to some E2? Hardly.
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eIn07912
Joined: 06 Dec 2008
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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if im not mistaken, and i know im not on this one, this is already the case.
i have known people and had the opportunity to do it myself, if ur school will allow, u can find a second job, legally. the school is ur primary sponser, and they write a letter of permission to immigration to allow a secondary sponser for ur e2 visa. ur taxed at both, pay pension, heath care, all that stuff at both.
ive worked with several teahcers where this is the case and was offered to do the same. i turned it down cause who wants to work 50-60hrs a week. as others have said b4, u can make killer pay, but u'd be giving up any kind of free time or social life. i guess thats one difference between westerners and koreans. as they see it, who needs free time when u have a job?! yay! let me sell my soul to my job, i dont need a life. i'll just let my boss tell me what kind of life i should have. daehanmingook!! |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| eIn07912 wrote: |
if im not mistaken, and i know im not on this one, this is already the case.
i have known people and had the opportunity to do it myself, if ur school will allow, u can find a second job, legally. the school is ur primary sponser, and they write a letter of permission to immigration to allow a secondary sponser for ur e2 visa. ur taxed at both, pay pension, heath care, all that stuff at both.
ive worked with several teahcers where this is the case and was offered to do the same. i turned it down cause who wants to work 50-60hrs a week. as others have said b4, u can make killer pay, but u'd be giving up any kind of free time or social life. i guess thats one difference between westerners and koreans. as they see it, who needs free time when u have a job?! yay! let me sell my soul to my job, i dont need a life. i'll just let my boss tell me what kind of life i should have. daehanmingook!! |
I don't think this is what the OP meant. I would hate this sort of thing, too, for the basic reason that you are going to work more and be paid much less doing a full time job. What the OP means is doing several short blocks of work (a few hours per block) at different locations for a higher hourly wage, usually over 50,000 won an hour. But yes, you do have to make a sacrifice, though if you do put in a lot of hard work for a while you could put yourself in a situation where you can enjoy free time later on. Personally, after 3 years of working without more than a week off I am now able to have a much lighter schedule, and I work for myself ONLY. The great thing is that I can always kick it back into high gear at pretty much any time I wish. That's the beauty of the market we are working in and the freedom of being able to exploit it. |
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Michael_75
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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I think some of us have been around long enough to understand how this sort of thing would likely play out.
More than likely, the employer would grab hold of the opportunity to send you to other job locations so he/she can make more money. E-2 people wouldn't see much of an increase in pay -- just more work at regular OT rates (18,000 per hour?). The boss would pocket the rest.
You think your school is going to "allow" you to work at another school if they're not getting a cut? Ha!
Even F-2's who work at public schools (and Koreans, for that matter) full-time aren't legally supposed to work at a 2nd teaching job. The same goes for university jobs, depending on your title.
If this passes, it will be so Koreans can make more money -- not foreigners who want to ship money out of the country. Believe me, that is certainly a major concern of the Korean gov't. It always is.
What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up. |
I wonder why E-2's are allowed when F-2's aren't. I would have thought it would be the other way around. |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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nice now maybe I can put my 결혼 on hold but still rack in the cash. 
my friend got a job with a recruiter paying 35k/hour but he asked straight up how much the company paid the recruiter for his time and they said 70k/hour.  |
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Looney
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael_75 wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
I think some of us have been around long enough to understand how this sort of thing would likely play out.
More than likely, the employer would grab hold of the opportunity to send you to other job locations so he/she can make more money. E-2 people wouldn't see much of an increase in pay -- just more work at regular OT rates (18,000 per hour?). The boss would pocket the rest.
You think your school is going to "allow" you to work at another school if they're not getting a cut? Ha!
Even F-2's who work at public schools (and Koreans, for that matter) full-time aren't legally supposed to work at a 2nd teaching job. The same goes for university jobs, depending on your title.
If this passes, it will be so Koreans can make more money -- not foreigners who want to ship money out of the country. Believe me, that is certainly a major concern of the Korean gov't. It always is.
What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up. |
I wonder why E-2's are allowed when F-2's aren't. I would have thought it would be the other way around. |
i'm pretty sure E2's can't either but if what you say is true that's news to me. Anyone else confirm? |
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Michael_75
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Looney wrote: |
| Michael_75 wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
I think some of us have been around long enough to understand how this sort of thing would likely play out.
More than likely, the employer would grab hold of the opportunity to send you to other job locations so he/she can make more money. E-2 people wouldn't see much of an increase in pay -- just more work at regular OT rates (18,000 per hour?). The boss would pocket the rest.
You think your school is going to "allow" you to work at another school if they're not getting a cut? Ha!
Even F-2's who work at public schools (and Koreans, for that matter) full-time aren't legally supposed to work at a 2nd teaching job. The same goes for university jobs, depending on your title.
If this passes, it will be so Koreans can make more money -- not foreigners who want to ship money out of the country. Believe me, that is certainly a major concern of the Korean gov't. It always is.
What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up. |
I wonder why E-2's are allowed when F-2's aren't. I would have thought it would be the other way around. |
i'm pretty sure E2's can't either but if what you say is true that's news to me. Anyone else confirm? |
I used to have a second job. I just went to Immigration with some docs and they changed my ARC card so it has a second job listed. There is space on the back for this.
I needed permission from my current school. Maybe as it was another school within the same school district meant it was legal? I'm sure I read though that it is possible to have a job at a private school if you are a public school teacher if you get permission. Getting permission though would seem to be the hardest part in that case.
PS I think somebody mentioned paying tax etc at both jobs. I only paid at my original job. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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once again - if it is approved - you will probably still need to get your employers permission statement and Immigrations approval. |
Yep. It's already possible to get part time work under these conditions, the only difference with this new law would be to expand the kinds of places where this is possible. Right now you can only add another educational institute to your E2 visa. Under this law you could also add a company. It makes no difference to most E2ers (including myself) whose employers won't give permission to work a second job. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| Yesterday wrote: |
once again - if it is approved - you will probably still need to get your employers permission statement and Immigrations approval. |
Yep. It's already possible to get part time work under these conditions, the only difference with this new law would be to expand the kinds of places where this is possible. Right now you can only add another educational institute to your E2 visa. Under this law you could also add a company. It makes no difference to most E2ers (including myself) whose employers won't give permission to work a second job. |
Its technically possible now.. and it might not change anything. The corporate customer could just buy the time from your boss and the boss could just send you on site to teach. As long as you get paid from your boss, its all legal. The only difference would be you'd deal with them directly, but if there is permission required from the boss, they might just tell you no and say have them come see me so they can get a piece. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Michael_75 wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
I think some of us have been around long enough to understand how this sort of thing would likely play out.
More than likely, the employer would grab hold of the opportunity to send you to other job locations so he/she can make more money. E-2 people wouldn't see much of an increase in pay -- just more work at regular OT rates (18,000 per hour?). The boss would pocket the rest.
You think your school is going to "allow" you to work at another school if they're not getting a cut? Ha!
Even F-2's who work at public schools (and Koreans, for that matter) full-time aren't legally supposed to work at a 2nd teaching job. The same goes for university jobs, depending on your title.
If this passes, it will be so Koreans can make more money -- not foreigners who want to ship money out of the country. Believe me, that is certainly a major concern of the Korean gov't. It always is.
What I'm saying is don't get your hopes up. |
I wonder why E-2's are allowed when F-2's aren't. I would have thought it would be the other way around. |
E2's arent either. F2's arent supposed to. But I mean it shouldnt let anyone stop them. For an F2 the worst thing that could happen is they would lose their job. An E2 would get deported and fined. |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| 3MB wrote: |
E2's arent either. F2's arent supposed to. But I mean it shouldnt let anyone stop them. For an F2 the worst thing that could happen is they would lose their job. An E2 would get deported and fined. |
Not necessarily. One friend 3 years ago and another last year were caught, one was given a slap on the wrist and the other a W400,000 fine (why 400k I don't know). Neither were deported.
Anyways it's against the law and shouldn't be done until it's legal. Which may be soon...
I asked 2 recruiters about it and they both said they were working on it, so it's nice to see this logical proposed law change has some support from Koreans, too. |
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roadwork
Joined: 24 Nov 2008
Location: Goin' up the country
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I was working for one of those dodgy afterschool programs years ago and being a noob, I went and worked at another school (thinking it would be okay because I signed a contract with the company). I got nailed when I went to renew my visa after I quit working for them. I got hit with 500,000. The fine is based on how much you made at the illegal job. I almost got hit with the million won fine (by a really small amount). |
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justaguy
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Don't kid yourselves people. It will never happen.
Not paying taxes on the money you make doing privates will always be illegal. People who do privates are not paying the taxes now, nor would they start paying them if the visa rule changed. The government isn't that stupid. |
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