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		Big Pun Lives
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  OP - Cowboy the f**k up and be a man - You are lucky you have a job right now. I have friends back home who have lost their jobs, homes, and families. Every country in the planet hates each other, deal with it. Smile, take their money, and go do stuff that makes you happy. Pretty simple. Sorry to be so blunt but now is not the time to complain.
 
 
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What an a-hole. Do you really think your response was helpful? | 
	 
 
 
 
In all honesty? Yes, sometimes people need a reality check. I am not interested in a debate with you. The OP asked for thoughts and I gave mine to him. He can continue to wallow in his own misery, be dishonest to a woman who loves him, and hate the country he lives in. Or he can take stock that his life is not too bad compared to most. Calling someone an a-hole is really childish by the way.
 
 
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		jkelly80
 
  
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Yeah but quoting a crappy Luke Perry movie is the height of sophistication. | 
			 
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		No_hite_pls
 
 
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	  | I believe so many Koreans ain't happy about their own country.  It does have the highest suicide rate in the world. | 
	 
 
 
 
Just to correct this myth that seems common on this board, Korea does not have the highest suicide rate in the world.  In fact, it's far from it as there are countries out there that have suicide rates approaching double that of Korea.     Even amongest just Asian countries, Japan has the highest suicide rate with Korea coming in second. | 
	 
 
 
 
Korea's suicide rate is the highest in Asia and the highest in OECD.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
 
 
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?at_code=390145 | 
			 
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		Adventurer
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:30 pm    Post subject:  | 
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	  | I believe so many Koreans ain't happy about their own country.  It does have the highest suicide rate in the world. | 
	 
 
 
 
Just to correct this myth that seems common on this board, Korea does not have the highest suicide rate in the world.  In fact, it's far from it as there are countries out there that have suicide rates approaching double that of Korea.     Even amongest just Asian countries, Japan has the highest suicide rate with Korea coming in second. | 
	 
 
 
 
Korea's suicide rate is the highest in Asia and the highest in OECD.
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
 
 
http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?at_code=390145 | 
	 
 
 
 
If you base things on suicide rates, then you are better off teaching in Germany or Spain rather than teaching in either France, Korea, or Japan.  
 
Japan has a slightly lower rate according to the site you quoted.  
 
Obviously, the happier a people are, the less suicides there would be, I would imagine.   So, if many of the folks are not happy whether it's in France or Korea, it's something to consider.  Russia is not an OECD member, I guess, and it's worse than Korea, I believe. | 
			 
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		madoka
 
  
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Read your links again.  The first shows that as of 2006 Korea has a suicide rate of 21.9 and Japan has 23.7.  Your second link is outdated. | 
			 
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		Sophomorik
 
 
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Yeah but quoting a crappy Luke Perry movie is the height of sophistication. | 
	 
 
 
 
which luke perry movie? i really want to know! | 
			 
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		jkelly80
 
  
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Yeah but quoting a crappy Luke Perry movie is the height of sophistication. | 
	 
 
 
 
which luke perry movie? i really want to know! | 
	 
 
 
 
8 1/2 Seconds. Its crapulence is overwhelming. | 
			 
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		nero
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 1:53 am    Post subject:  | 
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				To the OP:
 
There is no escape from the treadmill we have created. Wherever you go in America or Korea you will see department stores with mannequins dressed like princesses, the glitter and paint, the baubles, the gadgets, the luxuries.
 
What you are seeing is what goes along with filling our empty holes of cultures - the bitterness of heart, the emptiness, the cynicism, the hopelessness in being judged on everything that doesn't matter.
 
 
There is no 'manning up' that needs to be done. That you have seen there is something terribly wrong with the world and attempting to face it is being more of a man than sitting back and saying "well, things could be worse". The best part of your day should not be that interest rates are going up or taxes are being lowered.
 
 
You have become a victim of progress: a man sitting in a chair surrounded by luxury but paralysed by fear and anxiety.
 
 
What you must do now is plan the best escape. What job would make you happy? Where could you live the life you want?
 
Do your research and plan. There si no point being flung around like a cork in an ocean. Plan what you have to do and make your escape. | 
			 
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		Suwon4AGT
 
 
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				When I read posts like this (no disrespect intended to the OP), I can't help but think to myself thank God I'm not that idealist in my 20s anymore. I've learned the hard way that the grass is always greener and that work is definitely a four-letter word for a reason. 
 
 
I think most of us expats share a common type of frustration and that its not always easy to differentiate personal frustrations from ones specific about living in a foreign country. At least that is my take on it. | 
			 
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		Adventurer
 
  
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	  When I read posts like this (no disrespect intended to the OP), I can't help but think to myself thank God I'm not that idealist in my 20s anymore. I've learned the hard way that the grass is always greener and that work is definitely a four-letter word for a reason. 
 
 
I think most of us expats share a common type of frustration and that its not always easy to differentiate personal frustrations from ones specific about living in a foreign country. At least that is my take on it. | 
	 
 
 
 
I think it would be good for folks to just be more compassionate, tolerant, save extra cash if you need to bail, don't take everything personally.   You don't have to be madly in love with the place.  Why do you need to be? You aren't married to the country.   I think the place is okay.  
 
 
The OP should consider that he is having a hard time reconciling the fact that he may be a a social progressive and didn't find the US was enough like that and found a country that was even less so.   We could have all done proper research to find that out.  Unlike Singapore, Korea didn't quite have so much of a benevolent dictator who hated corruption with a passion.  That's why Singapore is very clean and has little corruption.
 
However, it may be a materialistic place.   
 
 
People often assume that since Buddhism came from here, that there will be little materialism.  It's just not the reality.  There may be a lot less materialism in places like Thailand, India, and Tibet, but they are generally poorer countries.  Countries that are not so materialistic but also affluent are often socialistic in nature, I am guessing.
 
 
You have to be able to accept Korea for what it is, because it is not going to simply change for us.  However, it should make changes under the direction of the government if wants a better reputation and more tourism and foreign direct investment.  They need to teach for their own sake, not ours, really. | 
			 
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		ESL Milk "Everyday
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:16 am    Post subject:  | 
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				It's a little odd that all throughout the last part of high school and university it seemed like the greatest thing in the world to nurture this really anti-social anti-consumerist attitude, completely at odds with the world we came from and will inevitably enter into-- because hanging onto it will get you absolutely nowhere.  
 
 
This kind of attitude might win you cred with the liberal arts uni crowd, but in the real world it gets you absolutely nowhere, and right off the bat you're pretty much forced to drop it if you want to progress to the point where you're able to get some unadjusted-for-inflation-wages equivalent of the lifestyle your parents had.  
 
 
To tell the truth, now is the time to start figuring out exactly what's important and what you are capable of before you get stuck in some life where you absolutely can't get out. You're definitely better off than someone who's trapped in a horrible marriage with really young kids or something. There aren't too many options left for those people. 
 
 
On the other hand, I wouldn't say Korea is the place to come when you want to be inspired, or find a direction. I don't understand the people who say that it's a 'backpacker' place, because the only people I've met here have been really grounded, somewhat dull, middle-of-the-road-type people who are anything but the free spirits I associate with backpacking. I can see them as oblivious tourists or drunks in a bar, but not as people who are all that curious or spiritual, or who care about discovering the world if it doesn't provide them with some kind of 'traveller's social cred'. 
 
 
Actually, one of the things that hits hardest about this place is its absolute lack of freespiritedness. It's all job, money, job, work, job, drink, study, etc... everyone seems bound by a sense of duty and tradition that prevents them from actually enjoying anything on their own terms, and alienates them from the urge to discover anything for themselves. I know it's probably not true, but I sometimes get the sense that nobody really has any exciting stories to tell... dodgy, nasty stories yes, but exciting stories, no. | 
			 
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		jajdude
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Unhappiness touches us all. You want to alleviate that because it feels painful. Can you take a good look at it? Not try to run from it? We all run from it. We get drunk or something else. We want more than we have. We want self-expansion, and an arena in which to feel we matter. We want others to fill us up. 
 
 
I'm not sure about all this social comparing. Everybody's saying, well, blah blah blah, you could be dying with cancer. You could be on top of the world too. There's no end to that. 
 
 
If it isn't a serious condition, like a clinical thing, perhaps you can move forward out of a funk with some different ideas, or some new outlook. Some relocation might help. I know I have enjoyed some locations and hated others. 
 
 
Meanwhile, there may just be a point to your current sorrow. It can be a good, even beautiful thing. You've got to study it a bit. Find out who you are. Find out where you want to be, what you want to do. 
 
 
All right, enough nonsense from me. I'm a bit drunk. I'm often unhappy too. | 
			 
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		dporter
 
  
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				Be the change you want in the world.
 
 
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		mises
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: i'm so unhappy | 
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	  im american. i left america for a reason. the narrow mindedness and closed view of its citizens that think "the world ends at the border" drives me up the wall. corporate greed run amock, politcal corporution the new norm, and general ignorance of 300million plus make me wish to never return.
 
 
but here can be so much worse. rampant nationalism. inferiority complexes abound. "we want to learn english but we hate u foreingers coming here and ruining our country" state of mind makes my skin crawl. how do these people think they r leading the world and r so better than everyone else when theyve been conqured over and over again and enslaved and pushed around by every country east and west of the pacific, yet oh no, dont say anything negative about daehanmingook "we r world leader, though we're not actually leading the world at anything except publically shooting ourselves in the foot every chance we get" i shutter when my k-g/f talks about marriage and living here forever. never never never.
 
 
point im trying to make is... im just so unhappy in my home country and in this country ive tried living in for nearly 3 years now. i dont know what to do, or where to go.
 
 
i know no place is perfect, all countries have their faults. but i just want a place to be happy in. to not put up with distorted confucionism. to not smack my head when i learn 1/5th of my countrymen cant find our contry on a world map. a place to live in peace where i dont have to listen to "i hate foreigners, i hate usa, they r dirty criminals that r ruining our country..... but oh please, pretty please teach me english... theres no real purpose for it. i mean yeah, it will influence what job i get, but not that i'll ever actually use it at my job" | 
	 
 
 
 
Everywhere you go, there you are.
 
 
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		mises
 
 
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	  It's a little odd that all throughout the last part of high school and university it seemed like the greatest thing in the world to nurture this really anti-social anti-consumerist attitude, completely at odds with the world we came from and will inevitably enter into-- because hanging onto it will get you absolutely nowhere.  
 
 
This kind of attitude might win you cred with the liberal arts uni crowd, but in the real world it gets you absolutely nowhere, and right off the bat you're pretty much forced to drop it if you want to progress to the point where you're able to get some unadjusted-for-inflation-wages equivalent of the lifestyle your parents had.   | 
	 
 
 
 
Awesome comment. Exactly. | 
			 
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