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poeticjustice



Joined: 28 Feb 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:17 pm    Post subject: Using sick days... bad idea? Reply with quote

I haven't used a sick day since I've been in Korea, both because I haven't had to and because I'm scared of getting fired for taking one.

Anyway, last week I was really, really sick for a few days. I still came into work and taught, but I was really sick. The flu I had changed into a sore throat, and the following couple of days I had to cancel all my classes because I couldn't talk. I had lost my voice and could only speak softly, so I asked to have my classes cancelled (though I still came to school).

I feel really guilty about it. I think I pissed my co-workers off. I did go into all of these classes for 2 minutes and made a quick apology about it, explaining why I couldn't teach them (which was difficult as my throat was very sore).

I'm a little bit worried about my reputation here. I declined to teach classes while I was in the building. Do you think everyone will stop respecting me?
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have worked 3 months or so, then you should have a relationship with your co-teacher and any other teachers you interact with where "favors" are given.

When you are healthy, you give favors (think of it like a video game). For example, my co-teacher has been sick a few times (drinking too much the night before) so I had to teach a couple 1st and 2nd grade classes alone and this gave me some (oops, principal just walked in Laughing).

Ok, where was I. This gave me some points with my co-teacher. He also wanted time off to be with his girlfriend who is in the hospital. This gave me more points. 2 weeks ago, I was in the exact same situation as you. I couldn't talk. In fact, another school came and the principal was there to witness all of it. However, there was nothing I could do and my co-teacher did most of the talking while I focused more on writing.

The main thing they want to see is that you are there. If you aren't passing out and just feel like crap, then go to school. You can take small breaks that you normally wouldn't and it won't be noticed as much as taking the day off.
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bobbybigfoot



Joined: 05 May 2007
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Using sick days... bad idea? Reply with quote

poeticjustice wrote:
Do you think everyone will stop respecting me?


This assumes that your coworkers had respect for you to begin with. A big assumption in my books.

It's perfectly reasonable what you did. It's the Koreans who are unreasonable when it comes to taking sick days.
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get 15 a year and use them all.

I'd consider it to be a waste to not take them. Very Happy
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gregoriomills



Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Location: Busan, Korea

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Using sick days... bad idea? Reply with quote

poeticjustice wrote:
I think I pissed my co-workers off. I did go into all of these classes for 2 minutes and made a quick apology about it, explaining why I couldn't teach them (which was difficult as my throat was very sore).

I'm a little bit worried about my reputation here. I declined to teach classes while I was in the building. Do you think everyone will stop respecting me?


I don't know how long you have been here, or what level you teach (I'm guessing its middle or high school). I got here in August 08, and took 2 consecutive days in the beginning of December. I know I was the talk around school for a bit, but what the hell. It hasn't happened again, so I don't mind. 2 per semester is ok, I think. The way I look at it is if I'm too sick to teach, I'm too sick to show up. Period. You could have showed up, then said that you needed to go to the doctor, I suppose. But to show up for the whold day and not teach does seem a little strange.
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's written into ps contracts that you don't need a reason to miss a day so long as you call in.

This changes if you miss 7 days consecutively. So who cares?
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bogey666



Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: Korea, the ass free zone

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tokki1 wrote:
It's written into ps contracts that you don't need a reason to miss a day so long as you call in.

This changes if you miss 7 days consecutively. So who cares?


dude reading your most recent posts, is this your first "teaching", excuse me "assistant teaching" job in Korea and have you ever been asked to stay on/extend?

I don't want to be a "hater" and I do my own share of bashing the Korean PS system and culture when warranted.

That said, frankly, it's guys like you who give us a bad name/rep.

You are expected to the majority of the lesson planning and leading for your English classes. Your Korean teachers teach them English without you, several other days of the week. During your orientation you should have been clearly told that the "idea" is for the native teacher to do 80% of the "teaching" during your special once weekly English classes.

Sick days aren't meant to be abused and taken if not needed. If you're really sick, by all means, stay home. However, if you're just taking them because you can (and that's what you're implying in your posts), you may want to revisit your personal code of ethics.
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fromtheuk



Joined: 31 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently got genuinely sick. I took 2 days off, and my VP got angry, called the education board and my new school.

He was ignorant about the contract. I took 2 days for the first time in almost 2 years.

I agree with bogey's sentiment, but I honestly feel as though tokki's attitude is understandable. I feel like I want to take all of my sick days, but I am now not going to, because I want my next job to start smoothly.
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Xuanzang



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful. Favors and points can be easily forgotten here. Sounds like lifeinkorea has an honorable co-teacher. Some of mine are selfish and just keep taking more and more. I did take up the reins when they were sick but they left me alone when I had a sore throat or sinus infection.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I do have a good co-teacher. If you don't, you need to find a way to shove generosity in their face.

Do simple stuff like lining up your students and take them to their classroom. Be visible in front of whomever you are trying to win points with and help students. You can do simple things like stare at students playing and intentionally ignore the principal or another teacher.

Then act surprised that they are there when you get close to them. They will think you are "very concerned" about the students and this will look better on you. Don't just walk from the bus or station to your classroom. Make rounds at your school, be seen. If a student loses something, give them 5-10 minutes to quickly look for it at the school.

When you can, walk with your co-teacher near the entrance when parents come to pick up students. The co-teacher will be under pressure to make a good impression. You can get away with ignoring the parents and children, but if you don't the parents will see this and it will come back on you.

Silly stuff like that can make all the difference.
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666 wrote:
Tokki1 wrote:
It's written into ps contracts that you don't need a reason to miss a day so long as you call in.

This changes if you miss 7 days consecutively. So who cares?


dude reading your most recent posts, is this your first "teaching", excuse me "assistant teaching" job in Korea and have you ever been asked to stay on/extend?

I don't want to be a "hater" and I do my own share of bashing the Korean PS system and culture when warranted.

That said, frankly, it's guys like you who give us a bad name/rep.

You are expected to the majority of the lesson planning and leading for your English classes. Your Korean teachers teach them English without you, several other days of the week. During your orientation you should have been clearly told that the "idea" is for the native teacher to do 80% of the "teaching" during your special once weekly English classes.

Sick days aren't meant to be abused and taken if not needed. If you're really sick, by all means, stay home. However, if you're just taking them because you can (and that's what you're implying in your posts), you may want to revisit your personal code of ethics.


Arrived in Korea in 2001. Worked for various hakwons where I experienced every scam in the book. My apartment, in fact, which is in my name, I only got handed over to me because I threatened to sue a former hakwon owner after he refused to pay me wages for a few months.

As far as public school jobs, I've been offered to renew for a third year where I am. I use all of my sick days. I honestly don't even know who my coteacher is. There's a 'Korean guy I teach with' but his position is unclear. Apparently my coteacher is some Korean woman with ZERO English ability, who--as you mention--is in charge of 'teaching' the students 50% of the time. Interesting!

Being a Korean school, everything is typically in a state of disorganized chaos. I have several 'special Eenglishee klessuh' which I develop curriculum for, and teach. But sick days? I take them all!

Wow...sorry for sounding so cynical!!! Laughing

I CERTAINLY wouldn't want to give anyone a bad name!

Keep on fighting and keep on sparkling! You carry on, brave soldier! Break that xenophobia and racist light shone on every foreigner here! You can do it!
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Goku



Joined: 10 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sick days are meant for serious illness.

Like you cannot move, your head spins, anything that would render you incapable of teaching. A cough, a sniffle, a slight fever,
you still come in.

But it seems like you understand already given by the way your actions dictated it. I say, for the most part you handled it quite well.

I don't think they lost respect, rather they are irked with the extra workload. Not many people like idea of picking up slack so they are probably irrate at the situation. But give it time, they will probably forgive you.

One possible way you could have done it was to give a "silent class". Passed out worksheets so you don't have to focus on lecutring or speaking. That way you could still be working without actually doing any work. It's ok. Normal teachers give their students study time so it's perfectly acceptable too.

It's quite ironic because before I read this post I just talked to a teacher about her voice. She can barely speak so I felt bad and asked her how she managed to do her classes. She gave out silent assignments and just checked them.

Just a trump card you can hold if the situation presents itself again.
Don't worry about the respect. This situation, although unusual for a K-teacher, is easily forgotten.

If you want to "regain" respect you could always show your grattitude to the teachers by buying some fruits and sharing it with them.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS schools here are so self-contained and idiosyncratic. It depends what kind of relationship you have with your co-teachers, VP and P, even the other teachers you see throughout the school. It's all about your relationships! My co-teacher asked me if I wanted a day off rather than just sit and warm my seat last week. This was completely of her own volition. She gave an excuse to the VP about my being sick. I actually was, but from a hangover as a direct result of going out with the teachers, VP and P. That said, if I had been actually teaching that day, I wouldn't take a sick day off unless I was bedridden.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS schools here are so self-contained and idiosyncratic. It depends what kind of relationship you have with your co-teachers, VPand P, even the other teachers you see throughout the school. It's all about your relationships! My co-teacher asked me if I wanted a day off rather than just sit and warm my seat last week. She gave an excuse to the VP about my being sick. I actually was, but from a hangover as a direct result of going out with the teachers, VP and P. That said, if I had been actually teaching that day, I wouldn't take a sick day unless I was bedridden.
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Tokki1



Joined: 14 May 2007
Location: The gap between the Korean superiority and inferiority complex

PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goku wrote:
Sick days are meant for serious illness.

Like you cannot move, your head spins, anything that would render you incapable of teaching. A cough, a sniffle, a slight fever,
you still come in.

But it seems like you understand already given by the way your actions dictated it. I say, for the most part you handled it quite well.

I don't think they lost respect, rather they are irked with the extra workload. Not many people like idea of picking up slack so they are probably irrate at the situation. But give it time, they will probably forgive you.

One possible way you could have done it was to give a "silent class". Passed out worksheets so you don't have to focus on lecutring or speaking. That way you could still be working without actually doing any work. It's ok. Normal teachers give their students study time so it's perfectly acceptable too.

It's quite ironic because before I read this post I just talked to a teacher about her voice. She can barely speak so I felt bad and asked her how she managed to do her classes. She gave out silent assignments and just checked them.

Just a trump card you can hold if the situation presents itself again.
Don't worry about the respect. This situation, although unusual for a K-teacher, is easily forgotten.

If you want to "regain" respect you could always show your grattitude to the teachers by buying some fruits and sharing it with them.


LOL, hilarious.

Yep, one thing I've learned in eight years in Korea is to be completely honest at all times!!!! Stick around long enough and your attitude will change. It's got to. Heh...

I feel sorry for your sick co-teacher. Aw, that's too bad... As for myself and my sick days, my school is pretty much used to it. So much, in fact, that they even give me special 'sick day vacations' when I appear too stressed. Mmmm...I think I was sick for...one??? of the days I've taken off? Not sure. Don't care! As stated in my contract, I do not need a reason unless I miss 7 consecutive days.

I can list you a million ways I've been exploited here.

Oh, and my school has offered me a third year renewal. Maybe I'll ask for more sick days.

Thoughts? Very Happy
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