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texasspangler · Joined: 02 May 2008 Location: Gangwon-do

I can understand if your trying to be funny. But the problem with typing that on a message board is that people don't know your joking or your intent. Just like talking on the phone sometimes people can't tell if your being serious or messing around.

I think everyone wants to know if there is someone ripping other's off. I guess you have to step back and think was he ripped off or not.

Jake

Captain Muffy · Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Thanks for the help. The stuff about honesty seems obvious to me... the guy sold me a bike that didn't work and then disappeared after he took my money. Is there really more to the argument about him being dishonest? I seriously don't see it. I have a feeling if I took my dog for a walk and some guy came up to me and stabbed it, Dave's posters would find a way to make two sides of the story.

But seriously, thanks for the help. I know little about bikes (obviously). Just how difficult/expensive for a mechanic to do the things you mentioned?? The tricky thing is I have no idea what the problem is, so the mechanic can say anything. To quote Seinfeld: "Oh, you need a new Johnson rod..."

Again, anyone know an honest mechanic in Haebinchon??

ernie · Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk

the problem i see with you bad mouthing this dude is that you have no proof that he was being dishonest. he offered to sell you a USED bike. you showed up, tested it out, and bought it. what else did you expect the seller to do in this situation? he's probably as unfamiliar with the inner workings of a motorbike as you are. besides, 85 000 won doesn't seem like such a major expense (1 or 2 nights out drinking?), and you'd probably have to have the part replaced sooner or later anyway.

Captain Muffy · Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Interesting, Ernie. I'm afraid I disagree. The seller sold me the bike and assured me it needed no new parts, was running fine, etc. Yet it broke down almost immediately. I repeatedly called and e-mailed him to ask what might be wrong with the bike, and he completely ignored me.

Seriously... think about this... if this happened to you, would you be upset? Would you feel cheated? I am admitting that it was, in hindsight, a foolish buy, but how can you think this guy didn't screw me?

All I was trying to do was warn people that this guy sold me a bike that didn't work and then completely ignored my calls thereafter. That's it. I definitely would tell a friend not to buy from him and would never buy from him again. Just trying to help... hopefully some of you deem this worth a warning.

ernie · Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk

i would be upset, but with myself for not adequately testing the bike. i agree that the seller might have deliberately screwed you, but it also seems possible that he didn't know about it. if you can't spare the 80 bucks, then you probably should be using public transit anyway.

Captain Muffy · Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Ernie, I do see your points somewhat. I mean the result is what pisses me off... maybe it's blinding me a little bit. The bottom line I keep discovering, though maybe I'm too angry to think through it clearly, is this guy sold me a motorcycle that broke down a mile away. Maybe he didn't know about the damages when he sold it to me... but it seems like a pretty big coincidence that it broke down a mile away. And the ignoring my calls really pisses me off. At least apologize and tell me to deal with it on my own, you know?

You're right, 85,000W is no big deal. A night out or two. But I still felt it worth warning the rest of you.

ernie · Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk

your experience is useful in that it's a reminder to everyone to be vigilant (and ruthless) when testing used merchandise. especially motor vehicles and things sold person-to-person. don't be afraid to shop around or bargain, either, since there are always people looking to sell used bikes in korea. sometimes bargaining can be a good indicator of the quality of an item: if the seller is too willing to bring down their price, it might mean that the item is stolen or is of inferior quality and they are desperate to sell. the cheapest option is rarely the best value.

Captain Muffy · Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Ernie,

Yeah, he was very quick to bring down the price. Should have known better.

Somehow your 'tough love' is actually making me feel better about this. Though I still disagree with you and think this guy's a piece of $hit. Just seems like posters here are very eager to be devil's advocates.

hamlet712 · Joined: 16 Mar 2007

Captain Muffy · Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Okay man. Fine. Whatever. I was just trying to warn people about this guy... I thought it was justified. Didn't mean to stir up everyone up so.

alanhunts28 · Joined: 28 Sep 2007

Does sound like a phone call to just sound out your frustrations would have helped you a lot. Seller didn't answer right? I remember reading once that buying anything secondhand, you should always keep around 10 - 20% of your budget for expected repairs. So, this should come off the sellers price or you should buy something cheaper. I don't think anyone is gonna buy your bike now though!! sorry mate!

hamlet712 · Joined: 16 Mar 2007

Look on the one side I agree with you, you got screwed he wont email you or phone you, he may have screwed you, and I appreciate that you may be justifiably warning us that he MAY screw us.

But man dont kid yourself. You even admit that you made the post because you are pissed off, its revenge pure and simple. You admit that you failed to do what a buyer is supposed to do, and you are pissed that apparently your main support for trusting the guy was that he was NOT a Korean.

If you had said that you made a purchase and he refused to take your inquiries after you sold it that is one thing, you could warn us that he is not going to respond if something goes wrong, but as a seller I do not find him at fault at all, and your smear campaign on him is vengeful when you can not prove he knew anything more than you.

In fact the fact that the thing was working when you test drove it and THEN conked out on you after would seem to suggest that it WAS basically fine. I dont know what a carberator does so I can not say with any certainty

As for Mr Nice, I doubt hes got many other 125 CC motorbikes lying around, so logic would dictate we are safe for now.

Sorry about your luck man, but as has been posted before, this is what you call a learning mistake. Be thankful Its only gonna cost you 85 000

Or nothing at all maybe, as I notice you have the bike for sale on this Forum.

hamlet712 · Joined: 16 Mar 2007

Look on the one side I agree with you, you got screwed he wont email you or phone you, he may have screwed you, and I appreciate that you may be justifiably warning us that he MAY screw us.

But man dont kid yourself. You even admit that you made the post because you are pissed off, its revenge pure and simple. You admit that you failed to do what a buyer is supposed to do, and you are pissed that apparently your main support for trusting the guy was that he was NOT a Korean.

If you had said that you made a purchase and he refused to take your inquiries after you sold it that is one thing, you could warn us that he is not going to respond if something goes wrong, but as a seller I do not find him at fault at all, and your smear campaign on him is vengeful when you can not prove he knew anything more than you.

In fact the fact that the thing was working when you test drove it and THEN conked out on you after would seem to suggest that it WAS basically fine. I dont know what a carberator does so I can not say with any certainty

As for Mr Nice, I doubt hes got many other 125 CC motorbikes lying around, so logic would dictate we are safe for now.

Sorry about your luck man, but as has been posted before, this is what you call a learning mistake. Be thankful Its only gonna cost you 85 000

Or nothing at all maybe, as I notice you have the bike for sale on this Forum.

Captain Muffy · Joined: 22 Mar 2009

Okay, I admit it. I was angry when I first posted that. I'll be a man and admit it.

The rest just doesn't seem so complicated to me. Jesus, are most of you Law majors?? The dude sold me a bike that broke down a mile later and obviously needs repairs, after saying it was fine. Fine, I can't PROVE that he screwed me on purpose... but isn't that a pretty big coincidence? Then he totally ignored my pleas for a refund, then an explanation, then simple advice as to what he thought might be wrong with it.

I don't know. I just think that a lot of you who are pointing out all these things so diplomatically and matter-of-factly would be just as pissed and feel just as cheated as I am right now. But of course, I can't PROVE that. Guess I just shouldn't have posted in the first place... ha, many times have I said that about Dave's??