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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the last post. I am trying to deliver quality work. I understand doing the plans. But when you are in class looking to ask your teacher to translate and can't find them and walk to the back of the room and they are in the Asain squat texting what am I to do?

The problem I have with standing up to them Laughing . When I try to explain something to my teachers I literally stay seated. I'm 6'4 285 lbs. I try not to literally stand unless I have to. Kids and teachers are physically afraid of me. Embarassed
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
I'm no Picasso wrote:
warmachinenkorea wrote:
I am not whinning. It's the fact that the plans have been done and told to my face it's not good. I guess you enjoy doing plans that never get taught.


Do you know why your co-teachers are, as you know, so busy these days?

Because they are doing a load of paperwork that will never matter.

It's just the way things work here, and you, I can guarantee, are getting off easy compared to them.


Yea they are so busy that every free min. they have they are shopping online. I know that have work I'm not that stupid.

Again, the plans are not the problem. It's doing things and then having them refused. It's them standing in the back of the room and never translating. It's 13 of them pretty much all doing nothing in my classes and then telling me what I should do.


Okay. That I get.

How long do you have left on your contract? As you know, I'm sure, co-teachers basically make or break your work situation in a public school. Change school, change co-teachers, change your life in Korea.

In the meantime, though, just nod and smile. Nodding and smiling gets you a long way here. I would do the lesson plans (quickly), print them out and hand them in. When someone criticizes them, say, "Oh, that's too bad!" and ask for when you can schedule a meeting with the criticizer to discuss the issues in detail. When they say they are busy, tell them that's fine -- you can wait. They should just let you know when you have free time so you can finish your lesson plans.

Round and round, and eventually it will get dropped.

Just remember, smile and nod. And next year, find a better school.

Good luck.
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response. I have a very difficult time just playin' the servant. I really wanna teach but I feel I'm painted into a corner and then asked to walk out of the room. Also, my wife had horrible first semester here but now here teachers are awsome so I have another person to think about.
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the response. I have a very difficult time just playin' the servant. I really wanna teach but I feel I'm painted into a corner and then asked to walk out of the room. Also, my wife had horrible first semester here but now here teachers are awsome so I have another person to think about.
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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
Thanks for the response. I have a very difficult time just playin' the servant. I really wanna teach but I feel I'm painted into a corner and then asked to walk out of the room. Also, my wife had horrible first semester here but now here teachers are awsome so I have another person to think about.

Oh god. QQ more. I managed to escape the black hole of IEP (that was the Sped teacher, aka, my b----'s job), but I swear, you've put so much more energy complaining about this work than it would take to do it.
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll keep crying as much as I want and then do it more if you don't wanna read it don't.

Again, it's not the work. It's all the other stuff.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
Thanks for the response. I have a very difficult time just playin' the servant. I really wanna teach but I feel I'm painted into a corner and then asked to walk out of the room. Also, my wife had horrible first semester here but now here teachers are awsome so I have another person to think about.


Yeah look... I had A LOT of frustration will all of this in the beginning. I'm a bit overly sensitive to criticism in the workplace, to be honest. I like to feel like I'm doing a good job, all of the time. In the beginning, I had no confidence whatsoever, because all of this was new to me -- Korea and classroom teaching.

I'm only six months in, but already I've gained a load of confidence. A big part of it has been having new co-teachers who back me up and support me, rather than just throwing out random comments I can barely understand, let alone interpret as positive or negative, let alone use as some sort of insight into how I can improve. In the beginning, I took anyone else's word as gospel, because I figured I didn't know a damn thing to begin with, and everyone else must be right. Now, I've learned that certain things just don't make sense, and certain co-teachers come out with the most random drivel for reasons that are completely unrelated to both me and my teaching abilities. Just like back home, I've learned to be picky about who I choose to respond to in any kind of meaningful way.

Try not to let it get to you, and just continue to do the best that you can with what you have to work with. Eventually you'll start to develop the radar about what out of your co-workers means something, and what is just random babble that appears to mean something, which you can simply agree to, and then immediately forget all about.
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Straphanger



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Chilgok, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
I'll keep crying as much as I want and then do it more if you don't wanna read it don't.

Again, it's not the work. It's all the other stuff.

Good God, I have never met a Chemist, Chem Eng, Mech, heck, from the site director of 6000 employees down to the janitor who *didn't* say, "Man, I would have such a better time at this job if it wasn't for all this pointless paperwork."
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see your getting the point.

Again it's not about the paper work!

I have worked in factory and been a janitor and I had to do no paper work with either job.

Picaso, I understand. I went for a grop of teachers who didn't give a flip to ones that are making my job difficult. My wife had the opposite happen. She had demons and now she loves her teachers her school gave her her own classroom and they are very supportive. I went from teachers not caring to teachers that want to make things difficult for me and them. My main KT just got transfered from the Physical Ed. MS and got thrown into a academic HS and she has never had a NET before.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done this for a long time here's my advice.

The Lesson plans- It's just show, they don't care what's written. Ask your co-teacher for a sample of what they do, and just change words around and use the same format. Korean teachers tend to do a grid format. With teacher speaking time on one side and students speaking time on the other. Then break it into Warm up Activities, Main activity and Conclusion,
You can also change the lesson plan when you teach. They will never say anything if you don't fellow your initual lesson plan. So try to write what you think they want to hear.

The Book: Most Public school textbooks are terrible. The one I use contains sentences no one would ever use like" How kind you are" Try to incorporate the Text book into every lesson. Just do listen and repeat. Then ditch the book and do something more interesting and useful.
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Fish Head.

I suggested this in the beginning of the semester and I got blank stares or they said. I think you should use the book and the students should repeat. This is what's so frustrating about this whole bit.
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

warmachinenkorea wrote:
Thanks Fish Head.

I suggested this in the beginning of the semester and I got blank stares or they said. I think you should use the book and the students should repeat. This is what's so frustrating about this whole bit.


For the lesson plan ask for a copy of an open lesson, or look in the teachers manual of the text book. The main thing is they'll never read it. It will end up in a folder or on a computer file. They might read the first one if your VP can speak English, If he she can't which is most of the case it's just show. Don't sweat it, just finish it. It doesn't matter if it's BS no one will call you on it.
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Robot_Teacher



Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did you read your contract? If EPIK, it might state you have 1 week of paid family leave for a situation involving death and dying as with your grandma. I'd bring a copy of the death certificate back to Korea if I have to go an emergency family leave trip.

I find in my school too, they don't have time to have discussions on lessons or anything else. I was even scheduled for a teacher/staff class, but no one wants to participate. I've offered several times and took the intiative to communicate with teachers and office staff, but they're not interested so it hasn't materialized. I find I too have just silent work relationships that involve little more communication than being told about last minute changes that pertain to me. I'm not told about anything else. The most talking with Korean teachers actually happens during classes. It's weird.
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the oak llama



Joined: 05 Dec 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my condolences (sp?).
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warmachinenkorea



Joined: 12 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea the contract says we have leave. But I left before she died. I was ready to take the unpaid leave but when my wife asked her teachers they called the POE and the POE said we could take our vacation. We were given permission by the POE.

The problem I am having now is we had a small talk and before I can get the words "I need to discuss my lesson with all the teachers," She says it's not possible. She let the cat out of he bag and told me that she had called someone and talked to them about co-teaching and now things I told her 3 months ago are suddenly relevant.

I was ok until we weere finishing our talk and it seemed as if we were understanding each other. I said, "I have been asking for this for a while now." She says, "Really? Really? It's not what I hear." I respond with, "Who have you been talking to?" She says, "I can't remember." laughs and won't talk ot me anymore. I also found that when I took a sick day because I couldn't talk she called my wife's school and told her teacher's that I refused to do lesson plans and co-operate.
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