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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I can understand the resentment from being judged but I don't understand the hardheadnedness and the refusal to accept the fact that being overweight is not healthy. Self acceptance is fine as long as it doesnt fly in the face of common sense and good judgement and most of all accepted medical evidence. I was once overweight. When I came to Korea I was up to 98kg and felt like crap. I have since shed the weight and after hard work have maintained a bodyweight between 75 and 80kg. It is hard work but then again after a while it becomes easier and easier. I cant understand why people would refuse to put in the work when the payoffs are so great: better health, more energy, you feel better about yourself. Some people in this thread have tried comparing it to being black, being short, having an illness...the difference is that none of these things can be changed, but being fat is something that can be changed for most people. Some just refuse to put in the work necessary. |
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DrOctagon
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| 3MB wrote: |
| I can understand the resentment from being judged but I don't understand the hardheadnedness and the refusal to accept the fact that being overweight is not healthy. Self acceptance is fine as long as it doesnt fly in the face of common sense and good judgement and most of all accepted medical evidence. I was once overweight. When I came to Korea I was up to 98kg and felt like crap. I have since shed the weight and after hard work have maintained a bodyweight between 75 and 80kg. It is hard work but then again after a while it becomes easier and easier. I cant understand why people would refuse to put in the work when the payoffs are so great: better health, more energy, you feel better about yourself. Some people in this thread have tried comparing it to being black, being short, having an illness...the difference is that none of these things can be changed, but being fat is something that can be changed for most people. Some just refuse to put in the work necessary. |
^This |
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eperdue4ad
Joined: 22 May 2006
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| 3MB wrote: |
| I can understand the resentment from being judged but I don't understand the hardheadnedness and the refusal to accept the fact that being overweight is not healthy. Self acceptance is fine as long as it doesnt fly in the face of common sense and good judgement and most of all accepted medical evidence. I was once overweight. When I came to Korea I was up to 98kg and felt like crap. I have since shed the weight and after hard work have maintained a bodyweight between 75 and 80kg. It is hard work but then again after a while it becomes easier and easier. I cant understand why people would refuse to put in the work when the payoffs are so great: better health, more energy, you feel better about yourself. Some people in this thread have tried comparing it to being black, being short, having an illness...the difference is that none of these things can be changed, but being fat is something that can be changed for most people. Some just refuse to put in the work necessary. |
Gotcha. Carrying extra weight is unhealthy, you are right and I have said that from the beginning. Maybe the lines got crossed because I wanted to point out that extreme dieting* is unhealthy as well.
* skipping meals, drinking sugar coffee in place of meals, diet pills...
It's easy to see an overweight person and recognize that she's disregarding her health. It's harder to see the effects of extreme dieting. Yet the dieters get positive reinforcement because they look good; meanwhile her hormones, teeth, reproductive system and other body processes can give her trouble. I didn't want this thread to be nothing but positive reinforcement for women who disregard health to be thin. Calling women pigs (which I don't remember you doing, but others did) causes the weak woman to either 1) overeat or 2) crash diet |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| eperdue4ad wrote: |
Gotcha. Carrying extra weight is unhealthy, you are right and I have said that from the beginning. Maybe the lines got crossed because I wanted to point out that extreme dieting* is unhealthy as well.
* skipping meals, drinking sugar coffee in place of meals, diet pills...
It's easy to see an overweight person and recognize that she's disregarding her health. It's harder to see the effects of extreme dieting. Yet the dieters get positive reinforcement because they look good; meanwhile her hormones, teeth, reproductive system and other body processes can give her trouble. I didn't want this thread to be nothing but positive reinforcement for women who disregard health to be thin. Calling women pigs (which I don't remember you doing, but others did) causes the weak woman to either 1) overeat or 2) crash diet |
^^This! 
Let's pretend everyone here actually cares how the overweight person on the street's health is. Fact is, you don't care. (I mean the general you who feels they need to share negative comments about female weight/shape/size. ) You somehow think that you are entitled to only be "forced" to view "attractive" women in public. No one is saying you have to be attracted to overweight women (least not in this thread). The point is that, even healthy women within the healthy BMI range may not fit in s/m clothing/ideals in S. Korea. We're trying to be any size positive, not thin or Korean negative.
Also, to the person who asked me how many overweight people I know who are giving and assist with nonprofits, fact is I could name many. I, admittedly hang out with fellow Pacific NW lefties. While we like our hiking and bicycling, we also love meat & beer. 
Even if life is about balance, where does judgments of others come in? Your negativity and pre-conceived notions certainly aren't bettering humanity. Even if we start speaking statistics (like if you could prove the majority of overweight people are lazy, ergo fat people are weak/unethical), one could easily use such physical characteristics to make other judgments (the majority of prisoners are ethnic minorities ergo minorities are generally unethical). You are racist by word replacement (see qwantz.com to get this joke).
But for seriousness, men, please retire to your own threads. Otherwise, next time we'll label our thread "My bloody time of the month."
Thanks. |
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3MB
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I actually notice fat men more so than fat women. Why is that? I dont know. Fat women dont really bother me as they hardly ever hit my radar, but fat men do. Perhaps because I dont really expect women to be into intense physical activities.
But please tell me, if being fat isnt indicative of a certain character flaw, what is it indicative of? Are you telling me you have made a choice to be overweight? The medical excuse doesnt fly, it doesnt apply to most people anyway. |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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Being fat is possibly indicative of: an aversion to physical activity, an addiction to fast/convenient foods, a hectic lifestyle, stress, depression, so on and so forth and likely a combination of the aforementioned.
We're not flawless. We're not perfect. We can't expect others to be.
If indicative of a flaw in character, it's likely a minor one and certainly shouldn't be considered over more important (and less physically identifying) features such as kindness, openness, intelligence (or at least willingness to learn & share knowledge), humor, and absence of ego. All these are discovered through interpersonal interaction. You don't need to have deep conversations with everyone you encounter, but there is no need to judge others whom you know nothing about other than their fondness for fast food and Jesus-themed parody shirts.
Easier said than done. I, admittedly, do have to remind myself often not to judge dudes in backwards hats, jerseys, or baggy jeans. It's an ongoing process. I'm in the first step, admitting I have a problem. At the least, I attribute it to the ignorance of youth. However, I have great difficulty overcoming judgment of poor hygiene (at least regarding the Americans in my area).
I'm extremely imperfect. |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:58 am Post subject: |
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But for seriousness, men, please retire to your own threads. Otherwise, next time we'll label our thread "My bloody time of the month."
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I like it! This thread got so off topic. I love it how some men (and not the ones who have commented recently), think that a woman is a waste of space if she is not attractive enough to be ogled by him. The misogyny is breathtaking. This is assuming the people I mean (it's pretty obvious who) are not just boring, trolls who lack a life, but are actually contemptible, women-haters who lack a life.
Edit: word choice. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Some people like strawberry ice cream, some like vanilla ice cream, some like chocolate ice cream. Does it really matter? There are all kinds of beautiful women out there. Frankly, there are women who are not thin that look good. There are many things that might lead a male to find a woman attractive, and it's not simply based on her weight. And some men, may find very thin women unattractive while some might. Does it really matter? I think people should endeavor to be healthy.
However, some people who are rather shapely can be healthy than people who are rather thin. Also, I did read on the BBC that curvy women often have very intelligent children. I see many women who are beautiful that are thin and that are chubby. I think those who impose on others what should be acceptable and acceptable are no different than religious fanatics, but hide behind another form of insecurity.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7090300.stm |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| 3MB wrote: |
But please tell me, if being fat isnt indicative of a certain character flaw, what is it indicative of? Are you telling me you have made a choice to be overweight? The medical excuse doesnt fly, it doesnt apply to most people anyway. |
Oh, right, moral outrage from someone who assumes that being overweight is indicative of a character flaw. Nice try to try and turn around and brand me a racist, when I am also mixed with Asian and grew up in a multi-racial family.
Here's a newsflash for you: different racial groups have different physical features, and that's a fact. Isn't that what the majority of the misogynists and "magical Asian women" proponents on this thread have been repeating in their own rehashed manifestos?
Here's another fact for you: most of the Asian-fixation types who come here have racial stereotypes of their own concerning the "exotic", and their transference of their racism and hatred onto Western women is a big clue, so cry me a river - I could not care less. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="lithium"]
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| calicoe wrote: |
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hahaha! I love the superior crap that some of these males spout about the western women here, as if most western men here aren't fat slobs too. I am interested in how both men and women present themselves and it is pretty even for fatties.
Btw - working out your upper body for hours with no cardio doesn't make you look cut. It makes you look fat with a layer of muscle over top. |
I think it's the other way around.
I'm 5' 8" and 68kgs (mostly muscle). Ehhh... I'd say I'm pretty far from being a fat slob.
If you wear a size 10 and think you're not overweight then you are in denial. |
Yeah, and if you think you're a white god while in Asia so are you. |
Newsflash: I'm not white, and no, I don't think I'm a God. Congrats for assuming all English teachers in Korea are white.  |
Where do I assume all English teachers in Korea are white? I'm actually grateful that they're not. Where do you come off assuming all women who wear a size 10 are overweight? That's you frickin' opinon, just like it's my opinon that although you are not a "white god" here in Asia, you seem to have drank the Kool Aid that helps you to believe you are a male god.
As Adventurer said, if the guys here like them at a size zero and Asian, that is their business, but keep your hatred off of my body or you will be duly stomped.
edit added - And to answer the question of thread: "Do you feel fat in Korea?" No, I feel divine. I have a natural woman's body with curve, I don't need to run from the sun, and I have to beat Korean men back with a stick, and I am nowhere near a "size zero" thank god.
BTW, I don't need to come to Asia for all this attention, either, just surprised that so many Korean men also seem to like a fuller, curvy body. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
Some people like strawberry ice cream, some like vanilla ice cream, some like chocolate ice cream. Does it really matter? There are all kinds of beautiful women out there. Frankly, there are women who are not thin that look good. There are many things that might lead a male to find a woman attractive, and it's not simply based on her weight. And some men, may find very thin women unattractive while some might. Does it really matter? I think people should endeavor to be healthy.
However, some people who are rather shapely can be healthy than people who are rather thin. Also, I did read on the BBC that curvy women often have very intelligent children. I see many women who are beautiful that are thin and that are chubby. I think those who impose on others what should be acceptable and acceptable are no different than religious fanatics, but hide behind another form of insecurity.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7090300.stm |
You sound like one gorgeous guy, swoon. |
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livinginkunsan
Joined: 02 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| calicoe wrote: |
Where do I assume all English teachers in Korea are white? |
lol, when you call him a "white god" lol.
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That's you frickin' opinon, just like it's my opinon that although you are not a "white god" here in Asia, you seem to have drank the Kool Aid that helps you to believe you are a male god. |
I don't think he said he was, you did
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As Adventurer said, if the guys here like them at a size zero and Asian, that is their business, but keep your hatred off of my body or you will be duly stomped. |
lol, written like a true fattie (I will stomp on you)
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edit added - And to answer the question of thread: "Do you feel fat in Korea?" No, I feel divine. I have a natural woman's body with curve, I don't need to run from the sun, and I have to beat Korean men back with a stick, and I am nowhere near a "size zero" thank god. |
lol, let me guess, they are drunk, waving money and asking if you are russian.. |
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calicoe
Joined: 23 Dec 2008
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| livinginkunsan wrote: |
| calicoe wrote: |
Where do I assume all English teachers in Korea are white? |
lol, when you call him a "white god" lol.
| calicoe wrote: |
That's you frickin' opinon, just like it's my opinon that although you are not a "white god" here in Asia, you seem to have drank the Kool Aid that helps you to believe you are a male god. |
I don't think he said he was, you did
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As Adventurer said, if the guys here like them at a size zero and Asian, that is their business, but keep your hatred off of my body or you will be duly stomped. |
lol, written like a true fattie (I will stomp on you)
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edit added - And to answer the question of thread: "Do you feel fat in Korea?" No, I feel divine. I have a natural woman's body with curve, I don't need to run from the sun, and I have to beat Korean men back with a stick, and I am nowhere near a "size zero" thank god. |
lol, let me guess, they are drunk, waving money and asking if you are russian.. |
You seem to have bigger problems, one of which is reading comprehension, and another which is your obvious problem with women.
Ho hum ... yawn. I think it's an added bonus that your sort will be systematically bred out of the Western gene pool eventually. I hope your hatred lends you some kind of comfort, because reality is obviously falling short .... somewhere. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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To all the women getting riled up by silly wankers. Just ignore them.
And why are these wankers hanging out here? They obviously have some perverse fascination with the very women they claim to abhor. I don't get it. Did the blood rush to their nether regions when they spotted 'women' and 'fat' in the thread title? Why don't they just surf fatty porn?
To girls with big busts:
My advice to girls going to Korea, if you are bigger than a size C-cup (or perhaps even if you are a size C-cup) make sure you bring a big stock of bras with you. Make sure your mum knows which bras you prefer, and where to buy them. But you might lose a few kilos if you start eating Asian food, so don't overstock on bras as you might go down a size.
If you are bigger than a C-cup, you are very unlikely to find a good fitting bra in Korea.
If you like to downplay your chest, you might need to bring some appropriately styled tops/blouses with you. Your chest will be of great fascination to the locals. Think you're used to that by now.... well, you'll soon see...even the girls/old women will be ogling them. Old ladies will even try to feel you up! |
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DrOctagon
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
Location: Chicago
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| Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| lithium wrote: |
| DrOctagon wrote: |
| calicoe wrote: |
| DrOctagon wrote: |
| nero wrote: |
hahaha! I love the superior crap that some of these males spout about the western women here, as if most western men here aren't fat slobs too. I am interested in how both men and women present themselves and it is pretty even for fatties.
Btw - working out your upper body for hours with no cardio doesn't make you look cut. It makes you look fat with a layer of muscle over top. |
I think it's the other way around.
I'm 5' 8" and 68kgs (mostly muscle). Ehhh... I'd say I'm pretty far from being a fat slob.
If you wear a size 10 and think you're not overweight then you are in denial. |
Yeah, and if you think you're a white god while in Asia so are you. |
Newsflash: I'm not white, and no, I don't think I'm a God. Congrats for assuming all English teachers in Korea are white. |
As Adventurer said, if the guys here like them at a size zero and Asian, that is their business, but keep your hatred off of my body or you will be duly stomped. |
Personally, I like a girl with curves. Shakira style. Not into Asian girls really. |
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