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Circus Monkey



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: In my coconut tree

PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:24 pm    Post subject: Ghostwriting Reply with quote

I don't often reprint articles or links on here but I thought this might be of interest. Thoughts?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?O1D4215D3

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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the Korean educational system, nothing surprises me. Of course, undergrads back home buy papers off the Net all the time, but I figured that would stop at the graduate level (grad students should at least know--or care--about their material) but apparently not here. Korean education is a mess, and I don't see it improving much. But at least they are going after these ghostwriter outfits.
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Zyzyfer



Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's sad is that the ghostwritten papers are really bad anyways...
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Homer
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the same topic,
the FBI released some stats about this same phenomenon in the States and Canada.
its 70 000 fake university diplomas sold in these countries. These include undergrad and graduate degrees...a sad statement indeed.
The term paper fraud is also rampant back home like here. And, its made its way into graduate studies, especially at the Masters level where some students pay for a completed thesis...not good again...
The hunt for these fraudulent activities has considerably slackened since 9-11 because of well lack of man-power available for this kind of crime....
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JackSarang



Joined: 28 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made extra money during University ghosting papers for one of those "term paper" websites.

You were basically hired like a hitman.. you entered what your expertise was and if someone needed a paper in your areas you get an e-mail, then you could choose to accept it, showing when it was needed by, how many pages and if a bibliography/endnotes were required, also how much you'd get paid. It was something like $10US a page plus $10 for notes/biblio with the website taking a cut and "processing fee" from the customer.

Not that I needed the extra work, but I needed the money and the papers were really simplistic, mostly for idiotic topics destined for kids at crappy American state universities. I was writing "Junior" History papers that would have been acceptable for 11th grade highschool. Not because that was what I was writing but because that was what was required.
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Harpeau



Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I work as a proofreader, and some Korean university students (trying to get into US colleges) asked me to do a little more than proofreading and I told them to go to Halifax.

Many Koreans hire ghostwriters while studying in American unis. I guess that explains why some lack in writing skills.

Regards,
Harpeau
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Circus Monkey



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: In my coconut tree

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's another handy link:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P25B128D3

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Dan



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Sunny Glendale, CA

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

back in high school there use to be stories about how guys on the east coast would take the SAT, memorize all the answers and then give the answers to students on the west coast.

because of this scam all SAT tests are given at the same time everywhere

and whoever said that there isn't cheating in grad school in the states, bwahahahahahaha, keep dreaming.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did some ghostwritting for my Korean friends back in college. No big deal I thought. What I found surprizing was how little work they did during the semester. When I asked them how they wanted it written, they said "I don't know" and gave me the books to glean from.
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SuperFly



Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I miss the Circus Monkey.


He was a good guy.


What happened to him?



And whatever happened to the coconut tree dwellers?
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Zulu



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harpeau wrote:
I work as a proofreader, and some Korean university students (trying to get into US colleges) asked me to do a little more than proofreading and I told them to go to Halifax.

Many Koreans hire ghostwriters while studying in American unis. I guess that explains why some lack in writing skills.

Regards,
Harpeau


On a related topic.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/English-tests-faked-to-cheat-on-residency/2005/05/08/1115491048581.html

And not just in Australia.
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Zulu



Joined: 28 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Homer wrote:
On the same topic,
the FBI released some stats about this same phenomenon in the States and Canada.
its 70 000 fake university diplomas sold in these countries. These include undergrad and graduate degrees...a sad statement indeed.
The term paper fraud is also rampant back home like here. And, its made its way into graduate studies, especially at the Masters level where some students pay for a completed thesis...not good again...


People cheat everywhere. Several students tried this at my school in the US and when caught, the university rightfully tossed their lame asses out. They all got Fail Ps, lost the course and were booted out of their program. Bye-bye tuition money. This was registered on their permanent transcript. When they catch you here, you tend to get a slap on the wrist, pass the course and get your MSc or whatever anyway. The difference is not the absence of regulations but absence of their enforcement. Which is why Korean university degrees aren't valued much.
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