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'South Korea: Way better than you think'- LA Times article
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The big problem Korea has isn't its image, it's really what happens when people step off that airport bus in downtown Seoul and go now WTF?

Everything is either expensive or ugly and confusing as feck to a foreign traveller. Korea never had a good back packer scene to develop a reputation and has been so closed to backpackers and travellers with wanderlust that even if they had great places....back packers just wouldn't come here (and they haven't - I've been to one foreign friendly hostel in Busan...great time, but pales in comparison to what you can experience all over the world).

The beaches are pretty but really not foreigner friendly and Korean style building in and around its wonderful areas is generally pretty ghetto. If it isn't ghetto then its ridiculously expensive and caters strickly to Korean tastes.

It's not the brand but the infrastructure, the affordability and the general openess to foreigners that is lacking.

Korea does have many great things worth seeing and easily could play right into any back packers or world travellers trip through China and Japan. It is however a tiny, confusing, closed, dirty, expensive stop between two relative giants. Most people just skip Korea. If it was cheap, easy to get to and around and catered to some foreign tourists...people would gladly stop and sample the local culture. Once people had a taste they would be likely to tell their friends and build a reputation.

Korea has the second largest (goes out the furthest) tide in the world, has incredible mud flats (great for your skin and bathing in - only one mud bath house in all of Korea with 1 tub), great beach BBQs (shell fish and shrimp while watching the sun set over the ocean).

Korea has a pretty uniques island and volcanoe with some pretty interesting local culture, Jeju, but it's expensive as feck. Why bother, go to Thailand. Jeju has an incredible amount to offer if it were priced accordingly.

Korean parks are really amazing considering what happened to this country. Their parks department really needs a hand shake. Although treed streets in Seoul might be something they over looked.

The west sea is fantastic and drives down the coast are amazing at first light. It is incredibly rocky and looks just like an ancient Korean painting. However, the highway has been cut apart by a new expressway, renting a car in Korea is beyond expensive, hotels along the coast are kind of crap.

Korean tourist resorts have all the charm of a vending machine.
Korean tourism seems to be dead set on creating more and bigger resorts that are nothing short of sub par (by western standards) and ridiculously expensive and crowded. Hotels in Seoul with pools are insanely over priced. Motels are great, but finding one can be tricky if you don't know your way around. Over all there is really a lack of charm in modern Korea.

Which is sad, because Korea has some of the most charming temples, mountains, sea side views, historical homes, art, culture...Korean history and landscape are charm incarnate. It surely isn't grand. It surely isn't royal. It surely isn't magnificent....and that is why it is lovely. But all that charm is lost under the concrete of rapid development and poor planning. Over the last 50 years Koreans have lost sight of the incredible charm they do have. They are still really cute, adorable, polite, friendly, amazing people who can be very charming to be around when they aren't being total balli balli asswipes.

Koreans probably need to re-invent their own image and build it from the ground up. The biggest flaw with Korea has been its greatest virtue. It's rush rush get 'er done attitude. Korea spewed concrete all over in an orgy of becoming new. I don't think it's really us that needs convincing, but rather Koreans themselves. They need to see that they have an incredible country, rather than just re-iterating what some text book told them to do. They need to feel it, like they feel soju and samgyeopsal on a Friday night with friends after work. Cause they are a lively people and it's really that buzz of Soju while eating some pretty tasty food with friends on hot summer nights that has kept me hooked on Korea. It's the temples I visit, the traditional Korean homes I view, the killer tea I drink (when Ican find a nice place that sells it), the lovely walks in the mountains, the beaches I have strolled down after eating some mighty tasty shrimp and the kind Koreans who have taken me in to share their food that have given me the experiences I've been looking for, but Korean tourism can take a flying leap off the 63 blg.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yangachi wrote:
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Buildings with character are being torn down and replaced with soulless highrises


Where are these 'buildings with character'? I agree with you on the soulless highrises, but the vast majority of buildings in Seoul, built during the 60s, 70s and 80s are truly awful and need to be ripped down and replaced with something with more architectural merit and with better urban planning.


This is not something you want to get me started on. First of all, from a visitor's perspective, which is the point of this thread, it's much nicer to walk around a hanok village or one of those neighbourhoods full of brick buildings. Much nicer than, say, an I Want complex.

Setting aside the obvious issues of gentrification and unsustainable property values, the urban planning of high rise complexes is a disaster. It was hard to beat the urban planning of the old neighbourhoods, which were designed over time by community needs. Nowadays you have highrise complexes so large you need a car just to get out the front gate, and the nearest grocery store is far off.

What they should be doing is remodeling the old apartments to improve the standard of living in them. Look at most western countries converting old industrial buildings into lofts. The apartments going up today will not remain standing as long as the ones created 30 or 40 years ago.
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Yangachi



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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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it's much nicer to walk around a hanok village or one of those neighbourhoods full of brick buildings


The majority of non-apartment residences in Korea are not hanoks, which I agree are very nice, but poorly designed, poorly built cheap looking low rise buildings, like Haebangchon. They need to be demolished and replaced with something else, although I agree there are far too many apartment blocks in Seoul.
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c_malinow



Joined: 13 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Korean Movies Reply with quote

Yeah, I really like Korean movies, although most of them are some of the most horific and violent movies I have ever seen! Maybe this says something about their invertive violent history and until recently being invaded by Japan and the north?
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthbound14 wrote:
The big problem Korea has isn't its image, it's really what happens when people step off that airport bus in downtown Seoul and go now WTF?

Everything is either expensive or ugly and confusing as feck to a foreign traveller. Korea never had a good back packer scene to develop a reputation and has been so closed to backpackers and travellers with wanderlust that even if they had great places....back packers just wouldn't come here (.


I don't think Korea really cares for backpackers...they've got enough of them teaching their children. Laughing

And as for tourism about 7 million people came in 2007.
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NaD00D00



Joined: 10 Oct 2008
Location: Gimpo

PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2009 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this is redundant, but Korea is so superficial.
The reason why nobody takes this country seriously is because it doesn't even take itself seriously. Everything is for show. There's no substance.

I mean, if the country were a kick-ass place to come to, they wouldn't need all this "marketing" bs; these kinds of things speak for themselves.

It's like, a country has to have on of two things: something special that makes the place worth visiting, or treating visitors in a way that they feel special while they're visiting, right? With regards to the former, I feel as if there isn't one, concrete thing where everyone is like, "You HAVE to see this if you go to Korea." And we all know how it is with the latter...
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
Well, what can I say about this? South Korea has cleaned up Itaewon to some extent, is providing more services to foreigners, and that's a good start. It's more effective than slogans like "Sparkling", or "The Soul of Asia". The Hi Seoul Festival is not a bad idea. It's quite all right.

IAlso, though people say the hagwon industry doesn't matter, if foreign teachers were treated much better on a larger scale, they would say positive things about the country to their friends. In the same vein, if 98% of foreign women who've visited Egypt experienced sexual harassment there, it is going to hurt business. Korea has to care about how we're treated. If we're treated better as foreigners, we would be more likely to be so happy to come again and visit the country. However, with so many folks doing midnight runs back to the US or to Japan.


I will be honest, that I think Korea would be viewed as a place with more "charm" if it treated foreigners better. I think that's what some foreign people mean when they say that. I think plenty of Koreans have a lot of charm, are very sweet and kind. Could the people welcome us more?

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Just wanted to respond to these parts of your post. Foreigners (tourists) not workers, are treated a lot differently then teachers or DDD workers here. If Korea was seen as a bad place to visit, then tourists wouldn't be coming here at all, and people wouldn't be coming over here to work. And in spite of the midnight runs, the number of teachers over here increases every year. In the first year of GEPIK they had something like 400 teachers. Now there are several thousand. Until the numbers start decreasing, there will be no impetus toward change. No one wants to rock the boat and risk their job.


It is an important point that Korea does not have the pyramids, the Eiffel Tower, and it doesn't have super weather. It does have nice temples it could market, but since it doesn't have any of the major wonders of the world, it would help to appear to be a more welcoming country. Some people are welcoming, but 4 out of 10 people don't seem to think so.

Yes, the teachers are increasing and the tourists are increasing, but you could argue that it could be even much better. I did say that tourists are increasing. I am saying that it would help, not hurt, if more people could say better things about coming to Korea. I have heard that there are so many more teachers, and the Korean Government has done a good job in getting more teachers in the country.

Do you think that treating your foreign residents, regardless of their occupation, is good business? People have relatives as we all know.
Korea should more services to tourists, market its heritage sites better, and encourage Koreans to practice treating tourists very well, by treating your average foreigner better. Korea is much better than Egypt when it comes to people feeling comfortable, I would reckon, but it doesn't have the pyramids, so it must compensate.
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stevieg4ever



Joined: 11 Feb 2006
Location: London, England

PostPosted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly. Clearly demonstrating his ignorance of both Nepal and Thailand.
hogwonguy1979 wrote:
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superacidjax



Joined: 17 Oct 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans are getting well known in the United States though -- for their scientific misconduct, specifically Hwang Woo-Suk. They are even more well known for Hwang's lack of ethics than they are for cloning the first dog. Koreans also are pretty well known in many parts of the US for letting US beef rot on the docks and for the violent anti-American riots. Ditto for rice and FTA protests.. They're also known for going bonkers over a stupid speed-skating race. Their Sea of Japan, Liancourt Rocks and other controversies are getting more press time that than kimchi and kalbi.

For Korea to become a tourist destination of choice, they're going to have to stop spitting and crying over every perceived slight. They seem to be international crybabies.
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greedy_bones



Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore

PostPosted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

earthbound14 wrote:


The west sea is fantastic and drives down the coast are amazing at first light. It is incredibly rocky and looks just like an ancient Korean painting. However, the highway has been cut apart by a new expressway, renting a car in Korea is beyond expensive, hotels along the coast are kind of crap.

Korean tourist resorts have all the charm of a vending machine.
Korean tourism seems to be dead set on creating more and bigger resorts that are nothing short of sub par (by western standards) and ridiculously expensive and crowded. Hotels in Seoul with pools are insanely over priced. Motels are great, but finding one can be tricky if you don't know your way around. Over all there is really a lack of charm in modern Korea.



I disagree with you on this one here. One of the few redeeming qualities of Korea as a tourist destination is their hotels, IMO. Compare Korea to China, Thailand, Japan or the Philippines. Have you ever needed to make a reservation for a hotel in Korea? I never have. In Seoul, they are a bit pricier, but in any small town, you can find a decent love motel or yeogwan for about 30,000won, and they always have rooms available. They also often have a computer which is very nice if you want to plan where to go once you are in the area.

One of the best hotels I've ever stayed in was in Korea. It was some place on the East coast called "Castle Hotel", and it was some old building designed like a European castle and had a nice private beach. The room cost 50,000 for three people, and the owner made fresh hoe(sushi) for us and treated us to local makkoli.

Other countries are a little cheaper, but for rooms that are 5-$10, you're usually in a hostel sharing bedrooms and/or bathrooms. Hot water is also not always guaranteed.
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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To begin with I seriously doubt that Korean cuisine would reach anywhere near the top 5. They have so many other great cuisines to compete with. I even think that Vietnamese has beat them out. Here is a list of what I believe are the world top cuisines:

Chinese
Italian
Mexican
Thai
Indian
Japanese
German
French
Turkish-kebab
Vietnamese-Pho


I doubt that Korea will ever have a high ranking because I doubt it will ever be a preferred tourist destinarion, and I think these go hand-in-hand. I think they are too xenophobic to accommodate much tourism and they would certainly never be a tourist mecca like Thailand which atrers to almost every whim and is so hospitable.

I have lived in Asia for 24 years and have lived in 3 Asian countires. Comapred to my favorite destinations, Korea is boring and not so friendly. Of course, I work here, but I worked in Thailand and Hong Kong as well and love those places. Korea is good for work, but lacks in having the energy, food and drama of Hong Kong and the beaches, weather, hospitality and laid-backness of Thailand.

Expensive advertising campaigns will prove ineffective if what is being advertised does not reflect the true psyche of the place.
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