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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were asked for the money back, I would return it. However, my father generally taught me not to discuss money issues except when others bring it up unless I am being taken advantage of... but you don't brag about how much you make, you don't belittle others for how much they make, and you don't discuss with your employer except during a negotiation which they initiate.
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tokki



Joined: 26 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord wrote:
Mr. Pink wrote:
Still don't get how it is theft.

If someone gives you something, they give it to you.


To transfer ownership of something in this instance requires a contract. A contract requires consideration. Accidentally giving someone money has not had consideration, thus there is no contract, thus no ownership transfer has taken place.

Example: If you walk into LG25 and give the cashier a 1000 Won note to buy a bottle of Coke, and she gives you back 999,000 Won because she woke up retarded and thought you gave her a million Won cheque, that money is not yours despite being given to you.


If you invade another country it doesnt make it right even if you tell yourself its for your own self preservation. Did Japan give anything back to Korea that they stole without being forced to? Uh, dont think so.
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 3:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep it but buy your boss a nice little gift out of the blue.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I make the 3 Korean teachers and the director at my hagwan (I'm then only foreigner) lunch once a week...
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shawner88



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
Still don't get how it is theft.

If someone gives you something, they give it to you.

If they don't clarify HOW they pay you in a detailed pay stub, they shouldn't expect YOU to point out their error and give the money back.

It's like if someone deposited 100 bux to your account...is that theft because THEY made a mistake and you kept the money? They did GIVE it to you.




Actually this reminds me of something that happened in my home town. Some woman tried to withdraw $20 from an ATM and got $200, even though her balance was far less. She kept it. The bank finally caught up with the error but she didn't have enough in her account to cover it. She ended up getting arrested. I hate banks...especially American ones. They should have given her a grace period to repay it at least.
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dominic



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 4:57 am    Post subject: gord... Reply with quote

gord wrote:
Disagree all you want, that's what it is if your boss has incorrectly sent you too much money and you do not return the overpayment. Your nay-saying does not change this. You've stated you're quite comfortable in stealing from your boss, but you've come here to gain moral support regardless?

Another option is that you were given a raise.

Personally, I'd do the right thing and ask. That's just me though as someone who doesn't really enjoy stealing money from people.

well everyone has their right to opinion including you and me. I think that if im asked...as in he catches the mistake, then i will have no argument but to give it back. my nay saying does change it because it's what i think, and u think differently, which is cool and ok. I like u gord you make the conversations and forms interesting and give different points of view and stuff. I did not post on the form to gain support, just wondering what other people would do or have done in this situation. Support or not, I dont think what i did was wrong, all i did was say nothing, my friend's father taught me to never miss a situation to keep your mouth shut. The raise option was good too, but i think he would have told me that i was getting a raise before he paid me, at which point i would of had a heart attack and died so then he wouldnt of had to pay me anything then lol, and im a pretty healthy guy. as far as the contract thing goes, yes my contract says how much a make a month and he paid me more than what the contract says, but he's broken the contract several times over the months, so no reason why i cant return the favor.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have told him right away. Way I was raised, way I raised my kids.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I suggest mandatory reading should be some Thomas Hobbes or Nikola Machiavelli... not because they're "right" but just for some perspective. Idealism can only take you so far in a world based on realism.


I suggest some mandatory reading should be the Bible and people should relearn natural law which supercedes human law.

Mr. Pink wrote:

How is it NOT your cash when they GIVE it to you?


We don't know if that was the intent of the director.

gord wrote:
Another option is that you were given a raise.


This is possible, but generally never done in hagwons. Gord is right; just ask.


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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My boss overpaid me once by 60,000 won. I returned the money the next day. Three months later at the end of the contract I got invited to spend the day with his family at the beach. Plus I was also told should I ever need a job I should consider applying there. It does tend to "solidify" your position a bit more and may make at least one director realize that way-gooks aren't out to screw every last bit of cash they can from their employers. This in turn may prompt them to treat us a bit more humanely.

And people wonder why things don't get better for "teachers" here. Rolling Eyes
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Bible (some of the books anyway, not the ones that involve all the begatting) provides interesting perspective on how people viewed the world throughout a good portion of history...

As far as natural law, isn't that "kill or be killed"?

Hobbes argued that human society was merely a reflection of this natural order...
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should also point out that what I read of the Koran is also another interesting perspective from a somewhat later time in history...
I've studied the effects of Buddhism on art, but never had much chance (or at this point, desire) to read the teachings... my college days are behind me.


The point is to study different perspectives about the world I suppose... no one perspective can ever give you a complete picture.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
I think the Bible (some of the books anyway, not the ones that involve all the begatting) provides interesting perspective on how people viewed the world throughout a good portion of history...

As far as natural law, isn't that "kill or be killed"?

Hobbes argued that human society was merely a reflection of this natural order...


No, natural law comes from God. Read St. Thomas Aquinas and forget all those modern philosophers. No one needs to redefine philosophy after Aquinas.
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gord wrote:
ryleeys wrote:
How's that "holier than thou" philosophy working out for ya?


Quite well, in fact.


BURN!! Laughing
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kangnamdragon



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:
It's like if someone deposited 100 bux to your account...is that theft because THEY made a mistake and you kept the money? They did GIVE it to you.


Again, "give" implies intent.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah... that's pretty much my problem with organized religion... it's perfectly content to sit there and never adapt to new ideas...


Anyone remember the seen from "Dogma"?

Chris Rock says, "I just think people should have ideas. It's alot easier to change an idea than it is a belief."


The 13th apostle had wisdom he did.
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