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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Foreigners Show Off Korean Skill Reply with quote

Foreigners Show Off Korean Skill


Tang Bochen from China delivers a Korean language speech in a contest at Kyung Hee University, Seoul, Friday. Some 1,100 foreigners applied for the competition, with 20 of them advancing to the final round. / Yonhap

By Park Si-soo
Staff Reporter


The Vietnamese was among 20 Korean-speaking foreigners ㅡ which included several immigrant housewives, a monk from Nepal and foreign students ㅡ who advanced to the final round of the 12th Korean language speech contest at Kyung Hee University in Seoul, Friday.

Co-hosted by Kyung Hee University's Institute of International Education and Yonhap News agency, the annual contest was sponsored by The Korea Times.

``It was meant to help foreigners get confidence in studying the Korean language and promote self-reflection among Koreans after their encounters with foreigners,'' said Prof. Kim Jung-sup, dean of the institute.


Describing a metro bus she uses to go to school, Gammanavidanaarac Hchigemegha from Sri Lanka, said, ``It provides me with opportunities to watch and experience diverse aspects of Korean society.''

The other speakers also talked about the various ways they developed to enjoy Korea along with heartwarming stories on their mothers before an audience of 700 spectators at the school's auditorium.

Grand Prize winner Lindemann said, ``I didn't expect to be ranked first.'' He studies at Korea University as an exchange student from the University of Bonn. ``I plan to earn a masters degree in Korean history,'' he added. `` I have polished my fluency by watching Korean TV and chatting with Korean friends.''

Prof. Kim said, ``In previous contests, students in Korean language accounted for the majority of contestants. But this year, the competitors include a monk, immigrant wives and even American servicemen here, meaning Korean is no longer a domestic language but an international one.''

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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Foreigners Show Off Korean Skill Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
"... the competitors include a monk, immigrant wives and even American servicemen here, meaning Korean is no longer a domestic language but an international one.''

Rolling Eyes
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roadwork



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Foreigners Show Off Korean Skill Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
"... the competitors include a monk, immigrant wives and even American servicemen here, meaning Korean is no longer a domestic language but an international one.''

Rolling Eyes


^^This as well. International language?
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Zantetsuken



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing I hate about waygooks that learn Korean is that about 98% of them suck so much 우리나라 [Mod Edit]. For once I'd like to see or hear about some white guy or any other waygook talk about something other than Kimchi is the best food or Dokdo belongs to the Korea. My only motivation for being fluent would be to tell the average ajosshi/ajumma or Lee-Young Chan type how I really feel......not make them feel all warm inside about how I love dwenjang and the four seasons.
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Goku



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zantetsuken wrote:
The thing I hate about waygooks that learn Korean is that about 98% of them suck so much 우리나라 schlong. For once I'd like to see or hear about some white guy or any other waygook talk about something other than Kimchi is the best food or Dokdo belongs to the Korea. My only motivation for being fluent would be to tell the average ajosshi/ajumma or Lee-Young Chan type how I really feel......not make them feel all warm inside about how I love dwenjang and the four seasons.


Chattign with beauties they occassionaly say negative things about Korea. But it all gets censored out.

Actually, it's better for the FT community, we don't want too many foreigners badmouthing Korea making us look ungrateful... as valid as some of it may be, it's just not something the public could handle.
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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zantetsuken wrote:
The thing I hate about waygooks that learn Korean is that about 98% of them suck so much 우리나라 schlong. For once I'd like to see or hear about some white guy or any other waygook talk about something other than Kimchi is the best food or Dokdo belongs to the Korea. My only motivation for being fluent would be to tell the average ajosshi/ajumma or Lee-Young Chan type how I really feel......not make them feel all warm inside about how I love dwenjang and the four seasons.


You might be happy to know I did just this a few weeks ago. I was contacted by a producer at Daegu MBC to participate with a few other foreign students at my university in a short segment concerning the life of foreign students in Korea.

While most of the students in my group were quite shy about speaking Korean, I just blurt out Korean and don't care whether it is technically correct or not.

When asked about what I thought was a negative thing about Daegu, I told them I thought it was the xenephobia by Koreans, and the treatment we get in many cases because we are foreigners. I gave several examples such as landlords going out of their way to not give up deposit money back, taxi drivers who take advantage and go the long way around, people who refuse to sit next to us on the bus/subway, but the example I gave that actually made it through editing was when I explained that in many cases we are often charged more money for items that have a standard price but not marked. The example I gave was if we (us foreign students) go to the street market and want to buy a bowl of apples, the normal price may be 3,000 won, but the ajumma/adjussi will often times tell us 5,000 won, or some other inflated amount.

In the next segment, they asked me to teach some basic Taekwondo movements to the other foreign students there with me .They were particularly interested in me because I came to Korea to study Taekwondo at a university, so they were quite intrigued about that. However, they found out quickly what I had to say when they asked me to explain some of the differences between Taekwondo in the US versus Korea.

Basically I explained to them that in America, many think taekwondo, and almost all martial arts are something special. In Korea, almost everyone has done taekwondo at some point, so to many Koreans, taekwondo is not much more than exercise, its not "special" to them when they study it.. In the US, we take the "do" from Taekwondo as "the way", and therefore treat it as if Taekwnodo is a "way of life", as opposed to a simple exercise. Of course that is not true of all people, but we tend to treat taekwondo with more respect than what I have experienced here in Korea.

So they showed a part where I explained the following. "Korean people do takwondo very very well, but in America our thinking about taekwondo is quite different. To American people, taekwondo is not simple exercise, but a method of life and how to live. Unlike in Korea, when a student goes to an America taekwondo school, they must always show respect for the instructor, wear a proper and clean uniform, cannot eat ice cream or other outside food all over the school, and their training is not just playing games and running around doing whatever they want."

I could have gone on all day, but I summed it up this way (which they did not show) In Korea, the place people learn taekwondo is called "cheyukwon", which basically translates to "exercise place". In the US, like most other countries, we use the term "dojang" which refers to the "way", a "place for the way" In my mind, this difference makes it very clear how others view taekwondo compared to Koreans.

So even though this was not exactly what I was trying to say, after the selective editing, it comes across as if this American guy comes to Korea and tells Koreans that they have no real understanding of what taekwondo is, or what it is supposed to be about, and that Korean taekwondo students have little respect for taekwondo.

After the video was posted on the website and I saw it for the first time, I got the impression the editing team at MBC only chose to show my somewhat negative comments because I am American, and wanted to paint me as another "white guy complaining about Korea"(Though I dont watch TV we all remember MBC involvement in the hysteria last year) I in fact said other positive things about Korea, mainly concerning the food and the strength of the Korean family relationships, and other foreign students had negative things to say as well, but the editing team chose to show only MY negative comments and only the POSITIVE comments from the other students, all of whom were from Asian countries.


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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2009 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As any language learning, some cultural learning is necessary and included.

The part that bothered me is the number of conversations including lines of 'Koreans have so much jung, they are so kind.' They put that crap in there to wave their flags.

Also, the whole 'foreigners can't eat kimchi' and 'all westerners wear their shoes in the house' normal crap is there too. I got sick of it.
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earthbound14



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting article. Glad people are learning Korean and that it is appreciated.

Just the faint smell of BS though...can't quite shake it.

Koreans (hell Asians) really don't write like western folk do. It always seems so full of love for home, mother and ra ra stuff that isn't really true.

I find it really odd that the press make such blatant exaggerations like Korean is now an international language.

I'm coming to understand that just seems to be the way people write here, but you need a BS detector to sift through all the hoopla. I like it in poetry and letters, but in the press or in public speeches I just can't help but feel nausea and annoyance. I would like articles like this so much more if they were simply true rather than full of flag waving. O well, just my lack of ability to understand and adapt.
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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very interesting and insightful story, CoralReefer. Too bad you got edited into looking like the jerk though.
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tefain



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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zantetsuken wrote:
My only motivation for being fluent would be to tell the average ajosshi/ajumma or Lee-Young Chan type how I really feel......not make them feel all warm inside about how I love dwenjang and the four seasons.


Well that sets you apart from the other 98% you refer to.

Here I was thinking it was closer to 99% of those who study Korean are only doing it for the ladies. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my goals is to be able to have an argument in Korean. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

난 한국어 졸라 못해 ㅡㅜ
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the Korean becoming an international languge made me guffaw.

but what the hell, let them feel a little pride. or whatever.

I also think it's good people are learning Korean. I wish I had the drive and motivation to do it, as well as the time and facilities nearby to do it.. I need a course, self study won't do.

the German guy, Lindermann made me almost spit my tomato out of my mouth.. he proudly proclaims he'll get a MASTERS degree in KOREAN HISTORY!

that should be very useful in the global job market Shocked

way to wisely invest in your education Hans!

about as useful as women's studies. African American studies. Chicano studies etc etc.

those courses should be part of something called "continuing education for adults, NOT degreed courses of study Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bogey666-
Yeah, because we don't need people who think about things anymore. The world would be such a happy place if everyone was a business major who only cared about their own economic advancement and looking out for number one.

If you ever look into what a PhD in Korean history entails, you'll realize it's no walk in the park. One must know not only Korean fluently, but also classical Chinese, and must also take a lot of time working with archives. It's true that a MA in Korean History may not be immediately useful, but hey, maybe it will be a stepping stone to something else for this guy.

There are people for whom raking in money is not the primary goal in life. Thank god for that...
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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taobenli wrote:
bogey666-
Yeah, because we don't need people who think about things anymore. The world would be such a happy place if everyone was a business major who only cared about their own economic advancement and looking out for number one.

If you ever look into what a PhD in Korean history entails, you'll realize it's no walk in the park. One must know not only Korean fluently, but also classical Chinese, and must also take a lot of time working with archives. It's true that a MA in Korean History may not be immediately useful, but hey, maybe it will be a stepping stone to something else for this guy.

There are people for whom raking in money is not the primary goal in life. Thank god for that...


oh, don't get me wrong, I'm perfectly willing to respect someone who goes into an underpaid and archaic field for the love of what he/she is studying.

(though I don't quite get degrees in literature... what does one learn/study with that?? etc)

my main criticism of the guy here is that he will be competing in his field against native Koreans with a similar degree and he will not be able to compete. I don't care how good his Korean gets, at this point it will easily take him a decade to get up to snuff and even then he may remain at a disadvantage.

also, as a foreigner, I'm not sure he can teach in Korea's educational system, even with a Korean degree, at a uni for e.g.

so it just seems like pissing away money to me. If he really loves Korean history he can study that in the future or on his own time etc. but since I'm assuming he's paying whereever he's studying a decent amount of won for his 'degree', it seems to me it SHOULD potentially lead to something.

not teaching English-ee in the future with a thick German accent.
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