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[Robot_Teacher]

And using middle finger? I tell them it's very bad disrespect and then physically remove them if they don't walk out when I tell them to leave for the period. Back in the day, we'd get a desk thrown at us, wacked with a board with holes in it, and physically thrown out of the school house by our ears by the principal as I found out when I told my 7th grade teacher to F off. Now I'm not that extreme, but the kids are taking advantage of the Korean teachers passive polite way of teaching as well when K teachers fail to be present for English class which is when students start acting bad should something be bothering them on a particular day.

Did I tell student to F off? No, I kept my cool and just booted the student out. Another student made a gun shooting me gesture in revolt so removed him too as that's too disruptive and disrespectful. I'm glad Korea doesn't have guns, becuase the number of school shootings would rise by 1000% over night as well as suicides. Something is badly dysfunctioning in the culture as is at home on a worse scale than in Korea, but Korea is headed down that road.

After these kids were taken on a nice field trip yesterday, they came to school this morning acting depressed, sad, and regretful for their existence as well as being disinterested in anything and disrespectful at every chance someone in authority were not looking. I come to find out the kids are angry over their PE and soccer game being canceled today. A rainy day is not an excuse to be bad nor cancel PE all togethor, but it's an excuse to stay indoors and make use of the gym. They don't use the gym as they think they have to use an outdoor soccer field when they could had changed over to playing dodge ball in the gym as a substitute as students have said they like dodge ball which they call pigoo when I talk about sports.

[Goku]

I'm starting to get irrate at this behavior too. At first I thought severe punishment would be the best way to punish it. And I have been for a while. But the draconian punishments aren't as persusasive in stopping bad behavior. Being a rather kid myself, in some ways it refinforces the idea that you are the enemy and encourages the behavior a little bit.

It's better to deliberately show you are ignoring them and their behavior. People hate when they are ignored and it's a much stronger tool. Today a kid said to me teacher "get over here". Obviously I ignored him until he politely asked. Which he ended up doing.

I know this case is a much easier one because it involves physically moving instead of, dealing with a swear word. However, the thing kids hate is for them to say something and be greeted with dead silence. It's so embarassing and really puts an end to bad behavior.

*Crickets Chirping*

[chachee99]

Are you offering advice or is this a legitimate problem? I kicked out a 6th grade student of my class for telling me to F-off . The strange thing is I was the one who got blamed because apparently I wasn't supposed to do that. However, telling a teacher to F-Off is an extreme case and I thought it was a legitimate excuse. However, remember that in Korea parents hold a lot of power. I wanted to sit down and talk to both the parent and student and discuss the situation, but that wasn't going to happen.

[TheUrbanMyth]

Take them down to the teachers' room and let the school disciplinarian deal with them.
That is of course, if this is a public school.

[Joe666]

chachee99: I kicked out a 6th grade student of my class for telling me to F-off . The strange thing is I was the one who got blamed because apparently I wasn't supposed to do that. However, telling a teacher to F-Off is an extreme case and I thought it was a legitimate excuse.


Did the same thing and was told it was unacceptable, the students have a right to be in the class at all times. Dumb in my opinion. I would rather not see the kid for the rest of the class than have him stand at the back of the class with a dunce cap on.

If a kid tells me to F-off, I will verbally go off, period. Has never happened and hoping it never will.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

Slap their hands if they give each other the middle finger or use the F-word to each other. They'll quickly realise that they won't want to do it to you and find out what exponentially greater punishment could befall them.

[dmbfan]

[hobakmorinam]

Don't get angry, thats what they want.

Punish the whole class. Take away the support of his peers.

Congradulations, the entire class just list five minutes of break time. You will be sitting here with your hands on your head while others are playing.

[bogey666]

I generally laugh when they do it to each other, though I'll put a stop to it if it gets out of hand (which it almost never does). I get the sense they try to do it to see if they can get a rise out of me. (which they don't)

re saying something like that to my face -.. umm.. no..

Hasn't happened yet and I'd be extremely shocked if/when it does. I'm way too physically imposing for them to try something like that. It would take a very angry look in my face and a turn towards them and they'd be already shitting in their pants.

if you're not physically imposing find a different way to deal with it but I would advise dealing with it very harshly. They'd never dare do to that to a Korean teacher unless they COMPLETELY disrespected him/her.

[gazz]

One way to get the kids to stop doing such things to you (I assume 95%, if not all of this stuff comes from the males) is to do some stuff with them outside of the classroom.

Start or join the soccer/basketball/baseball club/s Ect. One will do!

This WORKS trust me! Not only can you have a good time you also get to bash (in a freindly way) some of the kids about and they can do it back.

Word soon gets around the school and in my experience the behaviour in the classroom improves dramatically.

If you have a bad kid. Make him come to your sporting class as a punishment, he will no doubht enjoy it. Then you have him where you want him. If he messes you about - no sports club!

On a different note - If you are on half freindly terms with the sports teachers and a kids keeps messing you about ask if they can be suspended from the sports team for a week.

I have done this before. Its amasing how the 'hardest' 18 year old will begin to cry in front of his freinds!

[halfmanhalfbiscuit]

Calmly remove the student personally. Take them to the Principal , VP or the staff room. Explain what happened. Be suitably unimpressed.

Word will filter up through the students that being abusive will bring consequences the same as it would in a KT's class.

Do not let a KT try to blow smoke up yr arse by saying the students are "curious" about these words. They know full well what they are doing and the KT is allowing the student to save face whilst yours apparently doesn't exist. You need school support for discipline-expect it.

The important thing is :FOLLOW UP. Do not let the student just waltz back into class. Get them to apologise. Ask why they are apologising. Find out what happened to the student.

If it happens again, take things from there.

Getting them to stay is good. Do it for getting attention too. Don't be tempted to remove time when they're being good, otherwise why bother to listen to or respect you in the first place?

[rationality]

[spitfire]

My students used to drop f bombs all the time so I just punished the whole class til they stopped. Simple.

Now I'm wondering: Is there a Korean word that sounds like shit? Or are my students saying shit in class... Thats annoying.

[Yu_Bum_suk]

[Goku]

lmfao this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHzTUYAOkPM

And I'm not being sarcastic, Lately this has really been working for my classes.

Doesn't work in all situations, but when you see the contrast of a good and bad class it can help you in determining punishments for swearing students.