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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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 Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:11 am Post subject: Re: DPRK Invasion |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
The DPRK has successfully alienated both China & Russia, in the past week. |
 Respectfully: Ha... yeah, right. I'll believe that when pigs fly, Chris.
I still think a fair number of these people could pop up out from tunnels within spitting distance of Seoul.
What the US needs to do, if NK attacks, is drop a few pinpoint nukes in exact locations. The US needs to make it VERY clear that if a nation threatens it with nukes, then it nukes WILL be on the table in a battle. |
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Johnny_Bravo
Joined: 27 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:33 am Post subject: |
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China doesn't like its options if things get worse. China likes the status quo.
a nuclearization of Japan and S. Korea is not something China wants.
on the other hand.. the fall of NK and a reunification, which would mean the entire Korean peninsula would become "South Korea" is definitely not something China wants.
so China's game is propping up whatever regime exists in NK without it completely destabilizing the military status quo in E. Asia.
the reason China is annoyed is simple. NK's fairly reckless actions last week are things that push Japan and S. Korea to make their own defense decisions, which may involve becoming nuclear, something China doesn't want.
but will China get involved enough in say UN sanctions to really squeeze the regime to the point of its fall (e.g. China supplies NK with 90% of its oil)????
when hell freezes over.
What Russia thinks really doesn't matter - but they have no interest in a nuclear Japan (and to lesser extent S. Korea either). They also have no interest in a South Korea across the entire peninsula. |
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dporter
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| For some reason when I hear about a 'devastating' North Korean land assault I think bunch of low level WoW players zerging some dungeon. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| The US military is simply unstoppable |
Anyone remember Vietnam?
Bassexpander. How about a recent link supporting your apparent claim that China, Russia, & DPRK, are really all good friends and allies? Just one will do. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
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| The US military is simply unstoppable |
Anyone remember Vietnam?
Bassexpander. How about a recent link supporting your apparent claim that China, Russia, & DPRK, are really all good friends and allies? Just one will do. |
Like lips and teeth, brother.
Lips and teeth. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:19 am Post subject: DPRK Invasion |
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Isn't that quote like 65 years old?
I've read in google news this afternoon that US spy satellites have detected ground movement by trucks, of more missiles to the launch pad. The hypothesis is that they will be launched the moment the UN announces sanctions. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:23 am Post subject: Re: DPRK Invasion |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
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| Like lips and teeth |
Isn't that quote like 65 years old? |
Nope, from about a year or so ago. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: DPRK Invasion |
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Regurgitated a year or 2 ago, then:
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| Mao Zedong once famously said relations between the People�s Republic of China (PRC) and the Democratic People�s Republic of Korea (DPRK) were as close as �lips and teeth.� In the last couple of years, however, that metaphor seems less apt than another - China�s boot on North Korea�s bottom. What are China�s interests in North Korea today? The conclusions of this paper are that while the Chinese government goes to some pains to express affection and solidarity with North Korea, in fact, China�s interests on the Korean peninsula have changed and are not far from those of the United States, though for different reasons. China has changed much since the 1950s, and so have its basic interests. North Korea, however, has changed little. Though some of the rhetoric of the �glorious� days of friendship forged in blood still is tossed about, China and North Korea have little in common but history today, and China has come to see North Korea as less of a younger brother and an ally in world socialist revolution than an irritant and a potential catalyst for a series of events that threaten China�s most basic security needs. In fact, North Korea�s brinkmanship has the potential to catalyze a series of events that are a grave threat to China�s core interests. Consequently it is not in China�s interest for North Korea to acquire nuclear weapons and China�s relations with North Korea are far more tense than most Westerners realize. |
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/6/1/7/7/p61770_index.html |
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nuthatch
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:13 am Post subject: |
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bassexpander wrote:
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| What the US needs to do, if NK attacks, is drop a few pinpoint nukes in exact locations. The US needs to make it VERY clear that if a nation threatens it with nukes, then it nukes WILL be on the table in a battle. |
hello...Korea is a small place...I don't think South Korea or Japan would appreciate that
visitorq:
military numbers chart:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8071175.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8074527.stm
N Korea 'planning more missiles' |
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brento1138
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Bassexpander is right... there are tunnels underneath Seoul.
The only way NK could really win the war is to put a nuke underneath Seoul, prove it, then ask for ransom money. |
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cangel
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: Jeonju, S. Korea
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Why does everyone bring up Vietnam? America lost that war, yeah, yeah, yeah... That was a political war and the US military wasn't allowed to win it. The US could have turned Vietnam into a parking lot. |
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Xuanzang
Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Sadang
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| nuthatch wrote: |
bassexpander wrote:
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| What the US needs to do, if NK attacks, is drop a few pinpoint nukes in exact locations. The US needs to make it VERY clear that if a nation threatens it with nukes, then it nukes WILL be on the table in a battle. |
hello...Korea is a small place...I don't think South Korea or Japan would appreciate that
visitorq:
military numbers chart:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8071175.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8074527.stm
N Korea 'planning more missiles' |
People have a tough enough time as it is with yellow sand. I wouldn`t want nuclear sand. |
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ashland
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:45 am Post subject: |
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| kim jung il and north korea is a joke... nothing to worry about. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: Re: DPRK Invasion |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
Regurgitated a year or 2 ago, then:
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| Mao Zedong once famously said relations between the People�s Republic of China (PRC) and the Democratic People�s Republic of Korea (DPRK) were as close as �lips and teeth.� In the last couple of years, however, that metaphor seems less apt than another - China�s boot on North Korea�s bottom. What are China�s interests in North Korea today? The conclusions of this paper are that while the Chinese government goes to some pains to express affection and solidarity with North Korea, in fact, China�s interests on the Korean peninsula have changed and are not far from those of the United States, though for different reasons. China has changed much since the 1950s, and so have its basic interests. North Korea, however, has changed little. Though some of the rhetoric of the �glorious� days of friendship forged in blood still is tossed about, China and North Korea have little in common but history today, and China has come to see North Korea as less of a younger brother and an ally in world socialist revolution than an irritant and a potential catalyst for a series of events that threaten China�s most basic security needs. In fact, North Korea�s brinkmanship has the potential to catalyze a series of events that are a grave threat to China�s core interests. Consequently it is not in China�s interest for North Korea to acquire nuclear weapons and China�s relations with North Korea are far more tense than most Westerners realize. |
http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/6/1/7/7/p61770_index.html |
Possibly regurgitated, but that does not make it any less applicable. I'd love to see a Chinese source refuting it. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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