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[moosehead]

[chris_J2]

[Iamronin11]

[michi gnome]

in the coming robot war, with remote operated soldiers

S. Korea will crush all opponents hands down

these people have been training hard on video games for years

[Captain Corea]

[bassexpander]

I stand by what I said... China will support NK while paying lip service to the USA. They don't want change. They know that if NK has operational nukes that the USA will consider it too late to do anything. Hell, the USA has had fifty plus years to take out NK even without the nuclear threat -- you think Obama, the great humanitarian who built his name on dissolving Abu Ghraib, will do anything now?

China is just paying lip service to look squeaky-clean and protect its buisness interests. They say one thing, then block serious UN action a day later.

If you're too stupid to see that, then you've been outsmarted by the Chinese.

[chris_J2]

How about Xinhua? Is this close enough to a Party line?

"Ma Xiaotian, deputy chief of the General Staff of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, spoke at the 2009 Asian Security Summit..."

Ma said that China has expressed great concern about the nuclear test. "China's stance on the issue is consistent," he said, "We are opposed to nuclear proliferation."

"Our view is that the Korean peninsula should move toward denuclearization," he said.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-05/30/content_11456353.htm

Bassexpander: is the glass half empty or half full?

"The Global Times, a newspaper with close party ties, Tuesday published a survey of 20 of the country's top foreign policy experts. It found them split down the middle -- 10 arguing for tough sanctions against North Korea, 10 opposed.

"Traditionally, China has been very friendly to North Korea, but now there is a feeling that the North Koreans are causing us too much trouble," Zhang said."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-fg-china-korea27-2009may27,0,4005894.story

China can & has acted in the past. It's not all 'lip service'. The oil pipeline into DPRK was cut after the October 2006 test, & China cooperated in the freeze on the Macau bank accounts:

"U.S. officials say China twice cut off oil supplies to North Korea, in 2003 and 2006-'07, to ratchet up pressure. It also cooperated by scrutinizing bank accounts when the U.S. Treasury went after Macao-based Banco Delta Asia in 2007 in reaction to North Korea's improper use of the international banking system."

"The United States, China and other UN Security Council members have been studying possible sanctions against North Korea over its second nuclear test staged Monday, which was followed by short-range missile exercises.

The White House said Thursday that China was being "very helpful" in the efforts to censure North Korea over its nuclear and missile tests."

http://www.alternet.org/rss/4/57758

It's too early to tell, if China will or will not fully implement effective sanctions.

[dmbfan]

[Captain Corea]

[chris_J2]

Edit: (Duplicate Post)

[chris_J2]

China's Anger at North Korea Test Signals Shift:

"I'm less interested in stability than in having a denuclearized Korean peninsula," says Zhang Liangui of the Party School, the leading think tank of China's Communist Party. "It is not in China's interest to have our neighbor exploding nuclear devices."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124353389041863413.html

dmbfan & bassexpander, it's way too early to tell, if China will, or will not back harsh words with harsh actions. The UN resolution on sanctions is at least a week or 2 away. But the signs are promising that China will act, on its scathing criticism against Pyongyang.

BEIJING, May 27 -- China's leaders have shown their anger over North Korea's nuclear and missile tests this week through unusually critical statements and harsh coverage in China's state media. Now, U.S. officials hope the sharp rhetoric will translate into support in the U.N. Security Council for new sanctions on North Korea.

"...academics at Chinese think tanks and other research centers affiliated with the Chinese government have begun to discuss publicly what had previously been unthinkable: cutting off food or fuel aid to North Korea and supporting other harsh sanctions at the United Nations."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/27/AR2009052702353.html

[Iamronin11]

We need to get the Japanese involved big time. China doesnt want to stop North Korea and use it as a proxy? Its about time we let the Japanese rebuild their army and build their own nuclear arsenal as "Self defense measures" . Nothing will have the Chinese trembling more than a fully armed Japanese army with nukes.

If China wants to keep using North Korea as a proxy to terrorize the West we need to return it the favor. Get the Japanese nukes. Get the South Korean nukes. Get Taiwan Nukes. Time to give China a taste of its own medicine. Lets see how tough the Chinese really are when its surrounded by nuclear armed US allies.

[Captain Corea]

[b-class rambler]

Captain Corea, the negative argumentative style that you so often employ of continuously prodding the ball in the other person's court, keeping the onus on them to prove something about their point without actually saying so much yourself, is one which I'll admit is very effective on internet forums, such as this one. Obviously, the other party invariably gets tired and will often just give up. (I'm less convinced of its merits in a real life face to face situation, but that's neither here nor there.)

Above you've repeatedly asked chris to support what he was saying with something from a Chinese source. He's done that several times and all you've done in response is to sit back and effectively say, 'sorry, not what I was looking for, try again'. Some would describe that as just conveniently moving the goalposts.

Of course, it's perfectly valid not to accept what he offers in support of his case. But, you were the one who made the "like lips and teeth" remark above. So why not say clearly whether YOU believe that's still as true as when Mao originally said it, and come up with something to back up what you say, preferably from a Chinese source?

[nuthatch]

b-class ramber: