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He died. There was a funeral. Now go home!
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: He died. There was a funeral. Now go home! Reply with quote

I traveled thru downtown tonight on the way to the cinema and couldn't believe all the police out or all the people still gathering - what's up with this?

yes, the present administration is behaving very badly - even despicably - for not letting the people gather on the grass in front of City Hall - but is it worth it to continue agitating like this? there was a week-long memorial, a public funeral, plenty of publicity, now it's time to go home.

if you don't like this president, vote him out of office - impeach him even if you must - but the only result continued mass gatherings are going to bring is more bad news for K as potential investors see nothing but civil unrest, a country that can't settle a decades old war and alienates foreigners by detaining them for alleged health issues.

NOT sparkling, Korea !

NOT dynamic, either !

and definitely NOT calm in the morning !
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Intrepid



Joined: 13 May 2004
Location: Yongin

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:29 am    Post subject: Not calm in morning Reply with quote

Definitely not calm in the morning, what with the various whatever-mongers shouting, etc.

But the respect--of course belated, and contradictory, and overly emotional--that they're showing for their first clean president ($6million in bribes, a pittance!) is pretty cool.

And to stick it to Lee MB for his vendetta against Roh, good on the people! Who (of us Yanks) is out there pushing back on Cheney and his bs attacks on Obama? OK, hold 'em, fold 'em, wait a minute, I've shown my cards, I'm done.
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digsydinner



Joined: 24 May 2009

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it's not that simple...if you don't understand why they're still there...don't bash it. paying respect here in korea is way different than paying respect in other countries...
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FUBAR



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: He died. There was a funeral. Now go home! Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
I traveled thru downtown tonight on the way to the cinema and couldn't believe all the police out or all the people still gathering - what's up with this?

yes, the present administration is behaving very badly - even despicably - for not letting the people gather on the grass in front of City Hall - but is it worth it to continue agitating like this? there was a week-long memorial, a public funeral, plenty of publicity, now it's time to go home.


I guess it is worth it to them. To some of the people out there, President Roh was a symbol of change for them. Who are you to tell them to go home?


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if you don't like this president, vote him out of office - i


I admit that I don't know everything about the Korean political system, but.... how can you vote out a one-term President?
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: He died. There was a funeral. Now go home! Reply with quote

moosehead wrote:
I traveled thru downtown tonight on the way to the cinema and couldn't believe all the police out or all the people still gathering - what's up with this?

yes, the present administration is behaving very badly - even despicably - for not letting the people gather on the grass in front of City Hall - but is it worth it to continue agitating like this? there was a week-long memorial, a public funeral, plenty of publicity, now it's time to go home.

if you don't like this president, vote him out of office - impeach him even if you must - but the only result continued mass gatherings are going to bring is more bad news for K as potential investors see nothing but civil unrest, a country that can't settle a decades old war and alienates foreigners by detaining them for alleged health issues.

NOT sparkling, Korea !

NOT dynamic, either !

and definitely NOT calm in the morning !


I'm FAR from a fan of Roh but considering your post, no wonder Koreans think most English teachers are not much more than burger flippers.
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Hyeon Een



Joined: 24 Jun 2005

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: He died. There was a funeral. Now go home! Reply with quote

[quote="FUBAR"]
moosehead wrote:

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if you don't like this president, vote him out of office - i


I admit that I don't know everything about the Korean political system, but.... how can you vote out a one-term President?


Dude, bringing artillery to a fist fight and logic to a Korean message board is just not fair.. you're giving poor ex-Mrs.Moosehead nothing to work with.
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Forward Observer



Joined: 13 Jan 2009
Location: FOB Gloria

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ever since the world cup in 2002, Koreans have said (many times) that there is some kind of a psychological phenomenon going on with the masses gathering for something or the other. They love doing it, it's like an addiction. Can't be described in words they tell me, it's this need to get together for a common cause. It might have something to do with Confucianism, the way they operate in their society, the whole ignore strangers unless you know them thing...who knows. They're weird.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone know the name of any Korean Candle making companies, that are listed on the stock exchange? With all these candle light vigils going on all the time, I want to buy some stock in the companies making all the candles.
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michaelambling



Joined: 31 Dec 2008
Location: Paradise

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Not calm in morning Reply with quote

Intrepid wrote:
Definitely not calm in the morning, what with the various whatever-mongers shouting, etc.

But the respect--of course belated, and contradictory, and overly emotional--that they're showing for their first clean president ($6million in bribes, a pittance!) is pretty cool.

And to stick it to Lee MB for his vendetta against Roh, good on the people! Who (of us Yanks) is out there pushing back on Cheney and his bs attacks on Obama? OK, hold 'em, fold 'em, wait a minute, I've shown my cards, I'm done.


Plus, those bribes were to his family, not him. Roh was squeaky clean.

Let this be a lesson--work hard, be good, do the right thing, and you'll be viciously attacked and driven to suicide. Kill over 200 people, get convicted of 15 crimes, and you'll be filthy rich and the leader of the country.

Korea has a long, LONG way to go.
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Ilsanman



Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roh was a victim of Confuscianism. He took the fall for his older corrupt brother. If he were younger, I bet it would have been different.

I don't blame 2MB for this at all. There was a discrepancy with some bribe-taking, and questions were asked. Roh admitted to taking it, so they pressed charges. He cowardly (Yes, Hyeon Een, cowardly) took his own life rather than face justice.

All this for a president that had a popularity rating of less than 10%. People here are fickle.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it proven that he was "squeaky clean" and that ONLY his family was responsible for all of the bribes?

Seems to me, the prosecution was about to interview him to determine much of that when Roh committed suicide.

"It's sad how the historical record is romanticized without determined fact merely to provide the masses with a hero." - Maeritesch
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Left in this country will use nearly any reason to mobilize and come out in force. I say 'nearly any reason' because they never protest the injustices from the North, nor do they show such vigor in actually getting jobs.
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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
Does anyone know the name of any Korean Candle making companies, that are listed on the stock exchange? With all these candle light vigils going on all the time, I want to buy some stock in the companies making all the candles.


Nice! LOL
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moosehead



Joined: 05 May 2007

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
The Left in this country will use nearly any reason to mobilize and come out in force. I say 'nearly any reason' because they never protest the injustices from the North, nor do they show such vigor in actually getting jobs.


I agree with this - I've known them, worked with them and our relationships disintegrated into bitterness when I brought up NK. I wasn't even supposed to ask qs about the situation - which is all I was doing - trying to better understand.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2009 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you actually ask Korean people they will tell you that they really don't like the style of 2MB. Too many flashbacks to the dictator days. Noh's death is a vehicle to protest against the strong-arm tactics being used by 2MB to prevent other protests.

2MB is a bit too fond of sending out the riot police. He also hates those candle-lit protests, yet Korean people love them. And it's not just leftist agitators. These protests consist of a pretty wide cross-section. A lot of high-school and college students.
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