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superacidjax
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TheUrbanMyth
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I find it hilarious that you are complaining about misinformation when your own post has several inaccuracies in it as well. Here are just a couple.
You claim that F-series teachers do not require a criminal check. This is not completely true. Like the Koreans, F-series teachers must submit a CBC if they want to work at a public school.
Secondly you complain that the Korean government is condoning racist information about Americans and Canadians. First of all, they aren't. The Americans and Canadians talked about in the press in this instance are the tiny minority teaching in Korea not the vast majority in their own home countries. And not all teachers are Americans or Canadians. What about Brits, Aussies, Kiwis...? |
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Yu_Bum_suk
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the email I sent to the reporter:
Thanks so much for writing this collection of rubbish. I'm going to show it to my co-workers, as it will make me look like the greatest foreign teacher ever.
You'll be happy to know it's also been translated into English so everyone can see the quality of "journalism" your "news" agency produces.
Oh, and out of curiosity, what credentials do you possess? Based on this article I'm quite sure you couldn't get a volunteer job at a university newspaper in the west, so it's good to know that low-quality, underqualified English teachers in Korea have plenty of counterparts in the Hanguel press. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Sad to say but everyone notices the drunken, boorish, loucmouth slackers. No one pays any mind to the decent hardworking polite people who are in the majority working here. They just dont make an impact. I think a letter to the press pointing out that good teachers are'nt noticed and the exceptions get all the press. Much of the behavior problems are cause by illegal teachers . I am not a rat, and i believe in live and let live to a great extent but illegal teachers are stealin from other teachers. There is a need for some sort of self policing by NET"S . We all have met jerks who we would never allow to teach our own children, any ideas? |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| I=You claim that F-series teachers do not require a criminal check. This is not completely true. Like the Koreans, F-series teachers must submit a CBC if they want to work at a public school. |
Right: obviously the Koreans are conducting criminal checks on their homegrown teachers:
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/04/korean-teacher-arrested-for-rape-had.html
http://www.eslcafe.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=7368 (three month suspension for SEXUAL MOLESTATION!!!!!)
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Secondly you complain that the Korean government is condoning racist information about Americans and Canadians. First of all, they aren't. |
Actually, they are. Yonhap is state-controlled. It's not privately owned, it's government owned. So when Yonhap writes something, it does have to meet the scrutiny of government officials. It's the Korean Centers for Disease control who are also behaving as if foreigners are the carriers of swine flu too. They're grouping foreigners who've been in Korea for over a year with the fresh-off-the-boats. They had ignored sick Koreans who had arrived from international travel. They had even stated that foreigners are a "high risk" group for the swine flu.. regardless of their international travel (or lack thereof.)
So yes, the Korean government IS condoning inaccurate information.. They own and control KBS and Yonhap. In 2003, the government passed a law giving financial and systematic assistance to the agency, to reinforce staff and provide equipment. In the legislation, it has also been given the role of "promoting the country's image" to an international audience. The head of Yonhap is a government official. Yonhap is the official news agency of South Korea.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
The Americans and Canadians talked about in the press in this instance are the tiny minority teaching in Korea not the vast majority in their own home countries. And not all teachers are Americans or Canadians. What about Brits, Aussies, Kiwis...? |
From my post: "If the Korean media and government are promoting racist misinformation about Americans, Canadians, etc..."
It would appear that I said, "Americans, Candians, etc." The etc means "et cetera," which is a quicker way than writing out "Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, British, and Irish" every time. I was writing about ALL foreign English teachers, I never isolated to simply Americans and Canadians. But since Americans and Canadians make up over 70% of the foreign teacher population, it's logical to say Americans, Canadians ET. CETERA.
This whole discussion is starting to inspire me. As a result of Roh's 2003 libel suit against four major newspapers, the SK government has stated that editorials are subject to legal action if they are found to contain falsehoods. Korean libel and slander laws allow for legal action if a story harms a reputation EVEN IF THE STORY IS TRUE. There is no true defense in Korea libel litigation.
A libel suit against Yonhap would be very winnable (if given a fair trial,) because the foreign English teacher community only has to prove that their reputations were harmed. Veracity is irrelevant in a Korean libel suit. The fact that Yonhap stated that, "The Ministry stated such native teachers are a minority [the drunken foul-mouthed, under-qualified ones] but statistics say otherwise.."
That statement there just said that "A majority of foreign English teachers are drunken, foul-mouthed and incompetent." That would be an excellent basis for a legal proceeding. If the story said that a minority of teachers do some stupid stuff.. I'd have little problem with the story (other than its sensationalism,) but the problem is that the story said that a majority of teachers follow those behaviors about which the article complained.
Rather than complaining about my analysis, perhaps people should be doing an analysis of their own, perhaps people should be getting angry about Yonhap and not about my interpretation of Yonhap. |
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superacidjax
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| superacidjax wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| I=You claim that F-series teachers do not require a criminal check. This is not completely true. Like the Koreans, F-series teachers must submit a CBC if they want to work at a public school. |
Right: obviously the Koreans are conducting criminal checks on their homegrown teachers:
http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/04/korean-teacher-arrested-for-rape-had.html
http://www.eslcafe.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=7368 (three month suspension for SEXUAL MOLESTATION!!!!!)
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Secondly you complain that the Korean government is condoning racist information about Americans and Canadians. First of all, they aren't. |
Actually, they are. Yonhap is state-controlled. It's not privately owned, it's government owned. So when Yonhap writes something, it does have to meet the scrutiny of government officials. It's the Korean Centers for Disease control who are also behaving as if foreigners are the carriers of swine flu too. They're grouping foreigners who've been in Korea for over a year with the fresh-off-the-boats. They had ignored sick Koreans who had arrived from international travel. They had even stated that foreigners are a "high risk" group for the swine flu.. regardless of their international travel (or lack thereof.)
So yes, the Korean government IS condoning inaccurate information.. They own and control KBS and Yonhap. In 2003, the government passed a law giving financial and systematic assistance to the agency, to reinforce staff and provide equipment. In the legislation, it has also been given the role of "promoting the country's image" to an international audience. The head of Yonhap is a government official. Yonhap is the official news agency of South Korea.
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
The Americans and Canadians talked about in the press in this instance are the tiny minority teaching in Korea not the vast majority in their own home countries. And not all teachers are Americans or Canadians. What about Brits, Aussies, Kiwis...? |
From my post: "If the Korean media and government are promoting racist misinformation about Americans, Canadians, etc..."
It would appear that I said, "Americans, Candians, etc." The etc means "et cetera," which is a quicker way than writing out "Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans, British, and Irish" every time. I was writing about ALL foreign English teachers, I never isolated to simply Americans and Canadians. But since Americans and Canadians make up over 70% of the foreign teacher population, it's logical to say Americans, Canadians ET. CETERA.
This whole discussion is starting to inspire me. As a result of Roh's 2003 libel suit against four major newspapers, the SK government has stated that editorials are subject to legal action if they are found to contain falsehoods. Korean libel and slander laws allow for legal action if a story harms a reputation EVEN IF THE STORY IS TRUE. There is no truth defense in Korea libel litigation.
A libel suit against Yonhap would be very winnable (if given a fair trial,) because the foreign English teacher community only has to prove that their reputations were harmed. Veracity is irrelevant in a Korean libel suit. The fact that Yonhap stated that, "The Ministry stated such native teachers are a minority [the drunken foul-mouthed, under-qualified ones] but statistics say otherwise.."
That statement there just said that "A majority of foreign English teachers are drunken, foul-mouthed and incompetent." That would be an excellent basis for a legal proceeding. If the story said that a minority of teachers do some stupid stuff.. I'd have little problem with the story (other than its sensationalism,) but the problem is that the story said that a majority of teachers follow those behaviors about which the article complained.
Rather than complaining about my analysis, perhaps people should be doing an analysis of their own, perhaps people should be getting angry about Yonhap and not about my interpretation of Yonhap. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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If these people are not caught how can they have a criminal record? Criminal checks only work if the person has a record. And after five years the records are wiped making it difficult to ascertain a teacher's reliability.
Your second link doesn't work BTW
As for the whole American/Canadian thing...they are only talking about the people who come here...not the people who live back in America or Canada or elsewhere. |
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superacidjax
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
If these people are not caught how can they have a criminal record? Criminal checks only work if the person has a record. And after five years the records are wiped making it difficult to ascertain a teacher's reliability.
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As for the whole American/Canadian thing...they are only talking about the people who come here...not the people who live back in America or Canada or elsewhere. |
The point on the whole American Canadian thing isn't those back in their home countries, but those who are here. If the rest of the world sees that Korea is this racist regarding foreigners here, then what is that going to say (to the rest of the world) about their worldview? They want to be a Sparkling Hub of Dynamic whatever, yet their inconsistent and arbitrary policies are contrary to that aim.
Regarding criminal checks, in the first link, the person was found to have been convicted several times prior. If they are wiping the records after five years, then that proves my point since arrest checks in the US don't wipe anything.. neither does the Canadian system. If they wanted to be consistent, then they should say, "no convictions in the past five years." But no, westerners are held to different standards. As far as the public school criminal checks for F visas, that is true, however they are NOT subject to a criminal check to receive the visa.. THAT is a discriminatory policy based on national origin (DNA.) |
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