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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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Yeah but if I were her I wouldn't hesitate to go on the attack against Letterman in this situation...she is, after all, defending her daughter and her family, and she wasn't making a political statement or attending a political event when she went to the game with her daughter.
And under the circumstances, who wouldn't hesitate to give a big stiff middle finger salute to Letterman if he attacked your daughter? Letterman brought this on himself. There are lots of ways he can make money without holding 14 year old girls up to ridicule. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't stand Palin, but that joke was over the line (although I also believe him when he said he meant it towards the older daughter). |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for posting this thread topic, Gopher. You can be sure no Leftist would. But you can be sure that if someone like Dennis Miller, a more conservative (really moderate) comic told a joke about one of the Obama girls or poked fun at Letterman's boy on the basis that he was born out-of-wedlock, the liberals in the mainstream media would be up at arms and calling for his head.
Yet again the utter hypocrisy and courseness of the leftwing media raises its ugly head. Not until FoxNews reported on it did any of the major networks deign to cover it. And even then the usually suave Matt Lauer of NBC injected his own callous disregard while interviewing Sarah Palin.
Finally, however, the National Organization for Women (NOW) decided to set aside its partisanship long enough to criticize Letterman's remarks. Too bad they didn't do that during the campaign but then that would have required consistency of thought and action on their part.
Fox rationalized:
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| I didn't find it particularly funny, but at the same time I can't say it's particularly offensive either. People who practice politics of the sort the Palin family practices open themselves up for mockery. |
Oh, really? So their daughters are fair game because they're guility by bloodline association? You must not be a parent or much of one to take that stance. When Limbaugh inferred that Chelsea Clinton was a dog many years ago, that was wrong too. It's no less wrong when Letterman does it despite pretenses to the contrary. I doubt he lost a wink of sleep over the flap.
This just goes to show once again what a bitter, jaded comic Letterman has become. A Midwesterner by birth, he's fallen for the East Coast tackless liberal attitude bigtime. But then when you don't have the ratings of Leno or O'Brien, I guess you have to resort to whatever you can.
Like most liberals caught in the act, he's prevaricated, claiming to not know that Bristol wasn't at the Yankee game. IF that's true, then he should fire the joke writer who gave him the punch line. Either way, he didn't really offer an apology the next night on his show.
Letterman is a consummate ass and Todd Palin should smack him if he ever sees him.
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| It's more about seizing political opportunity than thin skin. |
Oh, really? So she invited this response? She wanted to make political hay of it? Palin doesn't put politics before the safety of her family. I (somewhat but not entirely) surprised you haven't come down harder on this incident.
ddeubel obfuscated:
Meaning, that any joke is when like does not meet like. What is expected, is not perceived....
Leave it to our resident northern European philosopher to try to defend this as art.
Tiger Beer exclaimed:
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| Wow, The Palin's are really going after him as well. That is one incredibly sensitive person, amazing she almost became Vice President with skin that thin. |
Yeah, gee, you'd almost think she was a concerned parent or something. Time for another round of drinks, poster. And while you're nursing that overrated brew (which only tastes good by comparison to Korean crap brews), perhaps you should consider that in most instances Palin just grins and bears it. No VP candidate in my lifetime, with the possible exception of Spiro Agnew who deserved it, has ever been so relentlessly and gratuiously assailed by the mainstream media.
Yeah, she should just shrug it off. I mean it's only a joke about her 14 year-old daughter, right? Man, are you on the fringe.
JMO sideswiped:
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| 5 kids/2 retarded joke was pretty funny |
Funny? So you'd still guffaw if you had a kid with Down Syndrome? That isn't tacky, that's shameful. Maybe you can write jokes for Keith Olbermann. Oh, wait, he is a joke from top to bottom. Like that post-nasal drip Letterman and his metrosexual sidekick music director.
Captain Corea vacillated:
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| I can't stand Palin, but that joke was over the line (although I also believe him when he said he meant it towards the older daughter). |
Sure, he did. So why did he wait so long to clarify his crass comment? And if he did mean it, I think he would have made that clear from the get-go. Besides, I'd find the comment offensive even if it was directed at her older daughter. It's never, ever o.k. to attack the children of politicians or anyone else in the public eye.
Many of the posts here only serve to reconfirm my suspicions that those on the Left are much more likely to have no class.
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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I found it offensive. It's the kind of comment that I'd make after 5 double whiskeys, but sober, one should worry.
Also, if Letterman said that about my daughter, I'd be sure to knock his teeth down his throat. |
Wow, you'd commit assault causing bodily harm over a joke?
Palin isn't an "everyday" lady, she is a politician and like another poster said, fair game. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Yet again the utter hypocrisy and courseness of the leftwing media raises its ugly head. Not until FoxNews reported on it did any of the major networks deign to cover it. And even then the usually suave Matt Lauer of NBC injected his own callous disregard while interviewing Sarah Palin. |
I distinctly recall D. Miller making far nastier jokes about Chelsea Clinton. So using the word "hypocrisy" is in itself, an hypocrisy. |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: |
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GWW: I never defended all of Miller's jokes, especially since I haven't heard most. He's become tamer over the years, partly because he's now a parent.
And my umbrage at Letterman's remarks, like those of a few other posters on this thread, is far more than whining despite what you think.
And her children aren't politicians, as you've conveniently overlooked while pissing from your wall. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
| Oh, really? So their daughters are fair game because they're guility by bloodline association? |
Palin uses her family as political props (going as far as to take her children along on official state functions and bill the Alaskan government for their expenses because they're acting in "official capacity."). If this family wants to drag its children into politics, then there are consequences, particularly when one of those children -- Bristol Palin -- hypocritically acts in direct opposition to the very family politics she helps preach. One of those consequences happens to be becoming potential targets for comedians.
That said, in politics, everything is fair game, and that goes double for political comedy. If you don't think it's funny, don't watch him. If enough people agree, he'll be off the air. If you don't like it, don't watch. If no one watches, the show sinks. I don't watch Letterman or listen to Limbaugh because I don't particularly like either; it's a solution that works very well for me.
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| Like most liberals caught in the act, he's prevaricated, claiming to not know that Bristol wasn't at the Yankee game. IF that's true, then he should fire the joke writer who gave him the punch line. |
Suggesting a joke writer be fired over a minor mistake like which daughter was actually at the game is pretty ridiculous. This isn't an intensive news organization we're talking about, it's a comedy show. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Let's face it folks, Palin's political stance is based highly on a moral high horse that teenager's parents should watch their daughters and make sure they don't get pregnant. So when her daughter got pregnant almost simultaneously, it raised eyebrows, and not easy to simply forget.
I don't see a joke about it being THAT bewildering.
The REAL flaw is the joke-writers had the 'impregnated' one confused with the younger one. |
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JMO
Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
JMO sideswiped:
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| 5 kids/2 retarded joke was pretty funny |
Funny? So you'd still guffaw if you had a kid with Down Syndrome?
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I rarely guffaw.
The joke had great timing and an unexpected ending(i knew nothing of the Palin's when watching it. It also reminded me slightly of an old Bill Hick's gays in the military joke( anyone stupid enough to join the military should be allowed in). So I found it funny.
I laugh at all manner of jokes that would not be at funny at all if I was the victim of such events. Possibly you don't. You instead are constantly outraged...how terribly pc of you. Surely you must be some sort of liberal from San Fran..? |
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RJjr
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:44 am Post subject: |
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Letterman's joke was too over the top to be on network TV. But at the same time, since Palin let one of her underage daughters share a bedroom with an adult male/baby daddy, she shouldn't be so upset.
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bacasper
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:49 am Post subject: |
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Palin missed the chance to turn this into a "parenting opportunity" and teach her daughters how to take a joke.
She is, however, maximizing her political capital over this, a mere bad-taste joke. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
| Thanks for posting this thread topic, [b]Gopher. You can be sure no Leftist wou... |
NEHHH!!! Wrong answer!
I'm a leftist, and think Letterman's joke was totally inappropriate. There is no justification for it at all. The guy makes lots of money every year, there are lots of other things he can make money poking fun at without humiliating 14 year-old girls in front of millions of people. In fact it appears I find it more offensive than some of the 'leftists' on this thread. Nice try, spin doc.  |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| The Great Wall of Whiner wrote: |
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I found it offensive. It's the kind of comment that I'd make after 5 double whiskeys, but sober, one should worry.
Also, if Letterman said that about my daughter, I'd be sure to knock his teeth down his throat. |
Wow, you'd commit assault causing bodily harm over a joke?
Palin isn't an "everyday" lady, she is a politician and like another poster said, fair game. |
Great cats! You've used two relative terms (bolded) and used them as if they were facts!
There are a great many offensive jokes whereby, if told, one might get one's head knocked fully clean off. If this was said about my child, I'd bury my fist into Letterman's face. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:34 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| There are a great many offensive jokes whereby, if told, one might get one's head knocked fully clean off. If this was said about my child, I'd bury my fist into Letterman's face. |
If it were really true that you'd do that, you'd be a danger to society. Given in reality you'd very likely do no such thing, you're probably merely advocating in favor of people who are dangerous to society.
Physically harming other citizens outside of self-defense or accidents is not reasonable, even if they say something that hurts your feelings. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:07 am Post subject: |
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Captain Corea vacillated:
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| I can't stand Palin, but that joke was over the line (although I also believe him when he said he meant it towards the older daughter). |
Sure, he did. So why did he wait so long to clarify his crass comment? And if he did mean it, I think he would have made that clear from the get-go. Besides, I'd find the comment offensive even if it was directed at her older daughter. It's never, ever o.k. to attack the children of politicians or anyone else in the public eye.
Many of the posts here only serve to reconfirm my suspicions that those on the Left are much more likely to have no class. |
1. How in any way shape or form did I waver and hessitate in giving my opinion? I stated it clearly. So, unless you've got some psychic tap into my subconscious, you're just blowing shit out of your arse when trying to label my thoughts.
2. I don't know how long he took to correct his comment (or whatever he did), and I did not state that it was any less offensive if true - I simply stated that I believe him. Find me one thing I said that condoned his behavior.
MM, you are proving yourself to be quite the arse here throwing around labels and accusations. I dislike what Letterman did, and have already stated that. Yet you seek to throw me into a pile of (supposed) 'Leftists' and state that I/we have no class... WTF is that all about?
I have the right to my opinion just like anyone else on this board... and so long as I don't violate the TOS I can continue to post it. You've quoted me and decided to personally attack me (and others here), so now I've responded in kind - however, I'd much rather stick to the point at hand...
I dislike what Letterman did.
Is that plain enough for you?
Is there any wavering there?
Are you reading my mind?
Honestly, it's because of posters like you that the Current Events Forum is steered clear of by so many.
Get off of your high horse and let others share their opinion. |
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