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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: Getting 4-5mil a Month for SAT/AP Test Prep |
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http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=37704
I know of one gyopo who makes serious bank doing this. Would like to know if anyone on this board does the SAT/AP test prep thing as well.
I would apply, but I come from a pretty mediocre school with mediocre SAT scores. Anyone else able to get one of these type of gigs without having an IVY league degree or super high SAT scores? I've taken some sample tests recently... and I guess the older, wiser me can now consistently score in the top percentile. Wondering if that would have any merit... |
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Chambertin
Joined: 07 Jun 2009 Location: Gunsan
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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Its simple. You are the advertisement for the school.
For example if you got a lazy kid, have money, and you want them to go to school in the US but the test scores are low you go with the fancy looking school. They want a walking billboard, not a teacher.
Programs like that are about the advertising. If you want to get good scores, STUDY. That goes for everything in life, you dont need anything but a library and hard work. |
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waynehead
Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Location: Jongno
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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I applied for a few of these jobs a while back. I had a 1510, which is fairly high, and my BA is from UNC, a top 25/30 school.
I never heard back. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: Getting 4-5mil a Month for SAT/AP Test Prep |
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digsydinner wrote: |
... and I guess the older, wiser me can now consistently score in the top percentile. Wondering if that would have any merit... |
No... you're not yet old, or wise enough to realise you're not that good-looking.  |
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Intrepid
Joined: 13 May 2004 Location: Yongin
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: F2 |
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One problem with such jobs is that they are seasonal--most places need a lot of teachers in the summer, and at Christmas, and at US spring break (and some of them send groups of Korean teachers over to a hotel in the US--in Boston or New York--to grill the Korean kids during US THanksgiving break).
They don't necessarily need you at other times (often the hagwons are closed)--so an F visa is almost a must.
And you are a poster-child for the hagwon, but I've known people from less-than-Ivy schools who do it; it takes a certain confidence in vocabulary (for CR) and grammar (for writing); you never want to get caught not knowing, say, "vituperate" or the difference between Each other and One another...because the students learn that kind of stuff.
It's interesting work in some ways, and remunerative, but a pain to organize as a foreigner. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: F2 |
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Intrepid wrote: |
One problem with such jobs is that they are seasonal--most places need a lot of teachers in the summer, and at Christmas, and at US spring break (and some of them send groups of Korean teachers over to a hotel in the US--in Boston or New York--to grill the Korean kids during US THanksgiving break).
They don't necessarily need you at other times (often the hagwons are closed)--so an F visa is almost a must.
And you are a poster-child for the hagwon, but I've known people from less-than-Ivy schools who do it; it takes a certain confidence in vocabulary (for CR) and grammar (for writing); you never want to get caught not knowing, say, "vituperate" or the difference between Each other and One another...because the students learn that kind of stuff.
It's interesting work in some ways, and remunerative, but a pain to organize as a foreigner. |
IMO this is the problem with standardized testing. What the hell does knowing rare academic English in grade 12 have to do with the ability to do well in university? It just means you are good at memorizing or have an extended vocabulary. |
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tenchu77491
Joined: 16 Mar 2009
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Because education is not that simple in university. I think these days university education has become much more standardized and bland. Read your text book, memorize some things, take a test and go on until you get your paper degree. University is just a 4 year school to pick up a piece of nice paper at the end of it all.
Back in the good ol' days (way before me) when university was actually a form of higher education, such vocabulary and writing skills would set you apart from your colleagues or at least set you equal with them... giving you a chance to do well with your colleagues and professors. Any one with sub par vocabulary and writing skills would have not been taken seriously.
Can you imagine Noam Chomsky writing like some of these 'university graduates' do on Dave's? I can't believe some of these people graduated. Writing does reflect on you as a person.
In the earlier days writing was the cornerstone of a good education.
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robot

Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Back to the OP's question: you don't necessarily need to come from an Ivy or top uni. Nor do you need to be a gyopo or have an F visa.
These things might help, but the key is proving your ability to do well on the SAT and pack students into your lectures.
I know Sehan well. Their offer is OK, but last I checked they had some rules about being at the school a few hours before your class. Like other places, they will expect to first write part of the SAT then perform a short sample class.
If you're thinking about getting into test prep, now could be the perfect time. Try it on a summer contract and see how it goes from there. |
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Insomnia
Joined: 17 May 2009 Location: koreanwikiproject.com
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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I've always wanted to take the ACT again to see what I could score now. |
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Intrepid
Joined: 13 May 2004 Location: Yongin
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Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: F2 |
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[quote="Mr. Pink"][quote="Intrepid"]--IMO this is the problem with standardized testing. What the hell does knowing rare academic English in grade 12 have to do with the ability to do well in university? It just means you are good at memorizing or have an extended vocabulary.[quote]
I don't know--such knowledge shows hard work and an attention to detail, traits that are easily as conducive to success as is, say, intelligence. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:33 am Post subject: Re: F2 |
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[quote="Intrepid"][quote="Mr. Pink"][quote="Intrepid"]--IMO this is the problem with standardized testing. What the hell does knowing rare academic English in grade 12 have to do with the ability to do well in university? It just means you are good at memorizing or have an extended vocabulary.
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I don't know--such knowledge shows hard work and an attention to detail, traits that are easily as conducive to success as is, say, intelligence. |
For grade 12? I guess people are missing my point. Instead of spending time learning how to think critically, or perhaps to research or write critically and effectively, students must study for the test and how to pass that test.
Let me rephrase my critic of standardized testing: Korea uses standardized testing for everything. What is the general consensus on their educational system?
I can somewhat agree to the GRE test and that it requires one to know a lot of vocabulary as you should be near completion or have completed an undergraduate degree. However, expecting grade 11/12 students to focus so much on useless stuff for the SAT...I don't agree with that at all.
I think AP classes show a much more balanced and fairer assessment of a grade 12 student's intellectual capabilities. They use a standardized test, but it relies on more than just route memorization. |
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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:23 am Post subject: |
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waynehead wrote: |
I applied for a few of these jobs a while back. I had a 1510, which is fairly high, and my BA is from UNC, a top 25/30 school.
I never heard back. |
with a 1510, why were you only able to get into UNC? that's better than the average at harvard. |
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digsydinner
Joined: 24 May 2009
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:28 am Post subject: Re: F2 |
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[quote="Mr. Pink"][quote="Intrepid"][quote="Mr. Pink"]
Intrepid wrote: |
--IMO this is the problem with standardized testing. What the hell does knowing rare academic English in grade 12 have to do with the ability to do well in university? It just means you are good at memorizing or have an extended vocabulary.
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I don't know--such knowledge shows hard work and an attention to detail, traits that are easily as conducive to success as is, say, intelligence. |
For grade 12? I guess people are missing my point. Instead of spending time learning how to think critically, or perhaps to research or write critically and effectively, students must study for the test and how to pass that test.
Let me rephrase my critic of standardized testing: Korea uses standardized testing for everything. What is the general consensus on their educational system?
I can somewhat agree to the GRE test and that it requires one to know a lot of vocabulary as you should be near completion or have completed an undergraduate degree. However, expecting grade 11/12 students to focus so much on useless stuff for the SAT...I don't agree with that at all.
I think AP classes show a much more balanced and fairer assessment of a grade 12 student's intellectual capabilities. They use a standardized test, but it relies on more than just route memorization. |
think you need to level the playing field for all students across the nation (or world). AP courses are not offered in many schools. how else can you cater to the vast majority without "standardizing" a test? the SAT, as in anything in life, is a game...and to figure out how to beat the game in itself takes intelligence. |
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