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Newsa



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 3:31 am    Post subject: News leads? Expat perspectives please Reply with quote

Hello everyone,

I'm Justin, an intern for the Joong Ang Daily newspaper, which is distributed with the International Herald Tribune. We're one of the top English-speaking newspapers, and I was hoping to write an article for the paper about expat living and working conditions in Korea.

Some lead-in questions:
-Has the economic recession affected your living conditions in Korea?
-How have Lee Myung-bak's government policies affected your living or working conditions in Korea?
-What is your current occupation?
-How long have you been living in Korea?
-Would you be willing to grant an interview, in person or by email?
-As an expatriate, what encouraged you to come to Korea to live and work?

Any lead-ins for new developments in business, culture, etc would be helpful as well. Thanks so much! You can reply in this thread or PM me. Of course, for an interview I would need your name and other vital information, etc.
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polonius



Joined: 05 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:12 am    Post subject: Re: News leads? Expat perspectives please Reply with quote

Newsa wrote:
Hello everyone,

I'm Justin, an intern for the Joong Ang Daily newspaper, which is distributed with the International Herald Tribune. We're one of the top English-speaking newspapers, and I was hoping to write an article for the paper about expat living and working conditions in Korea.

Some lead-in questions:

-Has the economic recession affected your living conditions in Korea?

It only affects my living conditions when I send money home.

How have Lee Myung-bak's government policies affected your living or working conditions in Korea?

I haven't noticed any differences

-What is your current occupation?

팀장님 at a hagwon, overseeing 25 foreign teachers.

-How long have you been living in Korea?

7years

-Would you be willing to grant an interview, in person or by email?

perhaps, you can send me the list of questions you would ask, then I will decide

-As an expatriate, what encouraged you to come to Korea to live and work?

My cousin came over first, and suggested that I come. He was here for 2.5 years and went home. I figured it was a good time to come when I had family here

Any lead-ins for new developments in business, culture, etc would be helpful as well. Thanks so much! You can reply in this thread or PM me. Of course, for an interview I would need your name and other vital information, etc.

You can pm me, but maybe you can't as you haven't made enough posts to earn that priviledge. Maybe this is account is a sock, and you can contact me with your other account
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Newsa



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your reply.

I don't have any other accounts here, in fact I created this account as soon as I was told to find leads on any intern reports I could create--these must be newsworthy articles in this sort of fashion: http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2901569

Let me know what you think!
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:07 pm    Post subject: Re: News leads? Expat perspectives please Reply with quote

Newsa wrote:
Hello everyone,

I'm Justin, an intern for the Joong Ang Daily newspaper, which is distributed with the International Herald Tribune. We're one of the top English-speaking newspapers, and I was hoping to write an article for the paper about expat living and working conditions in Korea.

Some lead-in questions:
-Has the economic recession affected your living conditions in Korea?
-How have Lee Myung-bak's government policies affected your living or working conditions in Korea?
-What is your current occupation?
-How long have you been living in Korea?
-Would you be willing to grant an interview, in person or by email?
-As an expatriate, what encouraged you to come to Korea to live and work?

Any lead-ins for new developments in business, culture, etc would be helpful as well. Thanks so much! You can reply in this thread or PM me. Of course, for an interview I would need your name and other vital information, etc.


1. Not really. It costs a little more to travel and inflation has increased noticeably when it comes to certain things.
2. The opposition demonstrations have made Koreans look really stupid at times. I don't really have a problem with 2MB beyond his low regard for freedom of expression sometimes. His stress on English education is much appreciated, and he looks like the type of guy who's more willing to work with foreigners than against them.
3. Middle & High school English teacher.
4. 4 1/2 years.
5. Sure.
6. At first I was just going to come here for a year, save up a bit of money and get some experience teaching kids, and then become a school teacher in Canada. After seeing what Korea had to offer I decided to become a school teacher here instead.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, expatriate ("expat") is not a correct term to use. This is a misconstrued term that assumes we have freedom from a controlling government that actually doesn't allow us to work on the planet free from a perceived nationality.

Call us a teacher, ESL instructor, whatever. But until we can roam this planet without a passport or visa, work and live where we want, and experience equality among a diverse group of people, then we have not truly been "expatriatized".

I have taught in Japan as well as in Korea. I have also studied in China. If you would like to talk to me about my experiences, you can email me at [email protected]
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
First of all, expatriate... is a misconstrued term that assumes we have freedom from a controlling government that actually doesn't allow us to work on the planet free from a perceived nationality.

Oh yeah... I too am a citizen of the world (rainbows & anarchy). Rolling Eyes

'Expat' may be a "misconstrued" term; however, your citizenship is not a perception.
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:41 pm    Post subject: Re: News leads? Expat perspectives please Reply with quote

Newsa wrote:


Has the economic recession affected your living conditions in Korea?
Nope. No off-shore debts & my pay has kept ahead of inflation.
How have Lee Myung-bak's government policies affected your living or working conditions in Korea?
No real change except more foreign colleagues. But this was already in the works from previous presidencies.
What is your current occupation?
Public middle school teacher.
How long have you been living in Korea?
10 years.
Would you be willing to grant an interview, in person or by email?
Yes.
As an expatriate, what encouraged you to come to Korea to live and work?
Serendipity.

Any lead-ins for new developments in business, culture, etc would be helpful as well.
Not really a fresh development but an observation gained over the course of my time in Korea: a lot of young Koreans are definitely becoming more comfortable communicating in english.

PM sent.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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your citizenship is not a perception.


READ UP, page 10 of:

Documenting discrimination against migrant workers in the labour market: a comparative study of four European countries
By Roger Zegers de Beijl, International Labour Office
Contributor Roger Zegers de Beijl
Edition: illustrated
Published by International Labour Organization, 2000
ISBN 9221113876, 9789221113874
113 pages
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Newsa



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expatriate, as I find on dictionary.com, is defined as follows:
verb (used with object)
1.to banish (a person) from his or her native country.
2.to withdraw (oneself) from residence in one's native country.
3.to withdraw (oneself) from allegiance to one's country.
4.to become an expatriate: He expatriated from his homeland.

�adjective
5.expatriated; exiled.

�noun
6.an expatriated person: Many American writers were living as expatriates in Paris.

The meaning I use is no. 2, along with no. 6. I think it politically correct and accurate enough, and many English newspapers in Korea use them accordingly. The term was not meant to imply freedom from any government per se.

I will be responding to your PMs with questions and asking for further details. Please respond soon, for the assignment is due Monday (the assignment thus far is to sketch out what our article/interview will be about).
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The meaning I use is no. 2, along with no. 6. I think it politically correct and accurate enough, and many English newspapers in Korea use them accordingly. The term was not meant to imply freedom from any government per se.


As it relates to no. 2, why do we have to get "proof of residency" if we supposedly don't reside in the country with a big AMERICA stamp on our passport? Clearly, someone is playing both sides of the fence to their advantage, and it ain't the people.

As it relates to no. 6, you can't use the word you are defining in the definition. So, the only real definition you are basing your use of "expatriate" is in 2.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally have always taken offense to the expat word.

First of all the majority of teachers that come and work for a year or two could never be considered expats. They are just foreign workers. Would you call a Canadian that works in the US an expat?

Why aren't Korean workers that work in the US called expats? They are called immigrants even if they haven't changed their citizenship.

I don't know of anyone working in Korea as an EFL teacher that has turned his/her back on their homeland. They are just enjoying working abroad. They still vote and are involved in many things that effect their country.

The second definition: withdraw from one's country is a little vague, but working and living for a few years in other countries isn't really withdrawing.

The term was first utilized for the many British citizens that moved to Africa during the 19th and early 20th century and never returned.

I guess a few of the married men and women with F2 visas may be considered expats, but only if they chose to be.

Putting a blanket label on people like that is offensive and not true to the word.

We are foreign nationals working in Korea, nothing more and nothing less.
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Newsa



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't know of anyone working in Korea as an EFL teacher that has turned his/her back on their homeland. They are just enjoying working abroad. They still vote and are involved in many things that effect their country.

The second definition: withdraw from one's country is a little vague, but working and living for a few years in other countries isn't really withdrawing.

Thanks for your opinion. I disagree, but I find your viewpoint of value. Smile Basically, "withdraw from one's country" is in reference to geographic withdrawal, much like immigration or travel can be considered a "withdrawal". The other meanings, which refer to banishment and so on, are obviously more extreme and implications not intended.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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immigration or travel can be considered a "withdrawal"


Funny, I never see "expatriate" buses. They are always called "tour" buses and carry tourists.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Re: News leads? Expat perspectives please Reply with quote

Newsa wrote:


Some lead-in questions:
-Has the economic recession affected your living conditions in Korea?

We are more careful about spending money. My wife and I no longer take taxis to go shorter distances due to recent taxi rate hikes. I only buy gas from certain locations I know to be cheaper (prices vary GREATLY). We avoid restaurants and products that have hiked prices significantly. For example, we used to eat at Bennigans or TGIF weekly, but we stopped going. We stopped going to Bennigans when prices were raised and menus adjusted to provide less value. We stopped going to TGIF when they quit giving out free bread and also adjusted prices.

In all honesty, we MADE money off of the won depreciation. I had transferred a chunk of savings to the USA last summer at 950 and brought it back to Korea at 1500. In addition, the recession allowed us to move into a much larger apartment because the prices went down on some units. We worked hard to find the right place, and saved 200,000 to 300,000 per month because people were reluctant to move into larger places. So in all honesty, we have come out ahead due to the recession.


-How have Lee Myung-bak's government policies affected your living or working conditions in Korea?

You'll have to give me some more to go on here... what policies? Educational? Any specifics? He wants more foreigners in schools, so that's created more jobs and demand, I suppose.

-What is your current occupation?

I teach at a private university in Seoul.

-How long have you been living in Korea?

Seven years.

-Would you be willing to grant an interview, in person or by email?

Possibly.

-As an expatriate, what encouraged you to come to Korea to live and work?

I just came here for a year off between jobs, and liked it, so I stayed.

Any lead-ins for new developments in business, culture, etc would be helpful as well. Thanks so much! You can reply in this thread or PM me. Of course, for an interview I would need your name and other vital information, etc.
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Newsa



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To lifeinkorea:
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Funny, I never see "expatriate" buses. They are always called "tour" buses and carry tourists.

That is because the tour buses tour. Not all expatriates are tourists, so to call it an expatriate bus would be inaccurate, but still not really offensive, I think--personally I've never minded being called an expatriate, though I note it sounds like "ex-patriot" I know it doesn't mean exactly that.

To bassexpander:
Thank you for your replies! I understand you are responsible for the Midnight Runner podcasts which concern the experience of foreigners in Korea. Would you be willing to talk more about this? I was going to send you a PM, but I do not yet have 25 posts and cannot do this, it seems. If you're interested, could you PM me please? Smile

To all:
Thank you for your input! I've received private messages ranging from hostile and suspicious to friendly and informative, and all of these are valuable in their way.

I'd like to make it clear that my intent with this news article is not to raise any controversies or try and villanize anyone or anything, but rather to hear of different perspectives in a changing Korea. Surely for some, North Korea's recent aggressions are a cause of concern, if not for personal safety then the security of the nation in which we foreigners now live. And for others, Lee Myung-bak's administration and Roh Moo-yung's death are noteworthy moments, perhaps as noteworthy as large-scale protests over beef.

If my article idea is accepted, I will be contacting many of you back for further questions and possibly face-to-face meetings. Thanks once again! Smile
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