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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sat Jan 31, 2004 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There an echo in here?

Actually, 100% means you're the best student, right? So if you get a 100%, but someone else knows the material better, you're being rewarded for not doing as well as the other kid... and that's punishing the kid that did the best by taking away just how hard it is to get 100%.

Either way, you're wrong, I'm right.


(hey, that line of thinking works for you, so why not for me too?)
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryleeys wrote:
There an echo in here?

Actually, 100% means you're the best student, right? So if you get a 100%, but someone else knows the material better, you're being rewarded for not doing as well as the other kid... and that's punishing the kid that did the best by taking away just how hard it is to get 100%.


100% means the person has learned what you taught them. Would you do the same on a math test or spelling test and give a higher mark to someone because they had cleaner writing?

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Either way, you're wrong, I'm right.


(hey, that line of thinking works for you, so why not for me too?)


Difference being that I can back up my claims and use logic and reasoning to defend my position. In contrast, you are avoiding the issue by saying you are not grading based on what they have learned (as you should be), but based on how well they can use what they've learned on creative expressions, thus have shifted the marking from what they've learned from you to what they've learned previously from elsewhere.

If you were a driving instructor, would you say "turn left at the end of the block and park" as part of the test to make sure they knew how to drive after being taught how to drive, or would you judge someone on how well they can drive you to your home without you telling them where you live?
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly don't have a clue what you're talking about. Driving tests?

I grade on a bell curve so that the best students get the best grades, the good students get good grades, average students get average grades, and bad students get bad grades.

No, not everyone uses this system as people view it to promote competition among students and alot of people don't like competition. I personally do think competition is a great motivator.

I would think someone that is so adept at extolling their own virtues, such as yourself, would be ablet to understand that concept, even without agreeing to it.
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Gord



Joined: 25 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A bell curve also handicaps the lower level students. So if you have a few gifted students in the class, they'll get the higher marks for being able to use what you've taught better, while lesser students WHO HAVE LEARNED WHAT YOU TAUGHT get a lower mark, while the same students would get a higher mark if not for the super students.

As well, you're marking based on how well students can use what they have learned previously with what you're teaching now instead of on solely what you're teaching now.

You're using a discredited and flawed system, which is why I am asking why you are using it, especially after you by your boss who pays you that were not to use it.
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ryleeys



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wasn't told not to use the bell curve... I get some odd looks about it, but haven't been told not to use it.

Nor does it punish the poor students any more than it should. It points out what students are good, average, or bad compared to the others.

I imagine it hasn't been completely discredited since it was used in almost all of my high school classes and in a signficant majority of my college classes.
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Water



Joined: 07 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of curiosity, why does the scale have to stop at 100%? I like to give a bonus section on my tests. Sometimes, I get some students who make a 100% on the test AND get the bonus question/s correct. So, they end up with a 105% total. I let them take that extra five percent and tack it onto any other test that they want. Or, I'll have a student who answers a question in a perfectly correct compound complex sentence when only a simple sentece was required. I'll give that student extra points that can either be used on that test, or another test if the student chooses. So, students who know more and do better get rewarded while no one who has learned the material perfectly gets a lower score just because someone else knew a bit more. AND.....if I've got a student who just plain studies her butt off and tries as hard as she can but still make a 68% on the test (or 78%), I see nothing wrong with just tacking on 2% to EVERYONE's grade to give that student a boost. It's far more important to me that the children try hard and enjoy themselves than for me to be absolutely positive that a low level student gets a low level grade.
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dominic



Joined: 10 Mar 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Gord... Reply with quote

see that's why I wanted you to response because u give good advice with examples no less. I think that if i walked out ever my boss would never come after me, pretty sure he and the supervisor hate foreigners, im trying to stay cool until the end of my contract in june but it's getting harder. When the supervisor attacks my character, which I dont get through a week without this happening which makes the environment really bad to work in. So when she attacks my character or yells at me like im 10, or like im her kid, i defend myself. I know we are all adutls, but no being treated like one at work, and yes im going down to the supervisors level by yelling back at her, but i sit next to her, i cant just ignore her, and if i can im not sure how. ill probably be fired tomorrow i sucpect...since the supervisor hates me and i hate her too.
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