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Fat_Elvis
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: In the ghetto
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 Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:52 am Post subject: Warning: Anti-English Spectrum currently in Haebangchon |
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I have it from a reliable source that Anti-English Spectrum are currently watching foreigners in Haebangchon, looking for signs of gambling.
They have already caused one guy to be deported and a bunch of others to get in trouble when they called the police on one guy and found a poker game in progress with 3 000 000 won on the table. The guy running the game was deported and the others were drug tested, and two of them tested positive. They then called all the the people whose numbers were in the drug-positive guys phones to come down to the local police station and also get tested.
Also, in case you didn't guess it, they also monitor this site. |
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stuck
Joined: 26 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| When did that happen? I heard of something happening last weekend, but I heard a different story. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| Gambling is a crime and also a sin, so I would report it too. I'm gonna be watching out for it |
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rowdie3
Joined: 22 Sep 2003
Location: Itaewon, Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:09 am Post subject: |
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OP - you have the story all wrong.
Funny how rumours spread... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| djsmnc wrote: |
| Gambling is a crime and also a sin, so I would report it too. I'm gonna be watching out for it |
For the crimes or the sins? And what business is sin of the Korean government? Last I checked, their Constitution specifically stated, "There shall be separation of church and state." |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Are you legally required to give a drug test if called upon by the police? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Only if they have a warrant. Check Article 12. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| djsmnc wrote: |
| Gambling is a crime and also a sin, so I would report it too. I'm gonna be watching out for it |
For the crimes or the sins? And what business is sin of the Korean government? Last I checked, their Constitution specifically stated, "There shall be separation of church and state." |
Wow, did you actually check? Anyhow, sin is no business of the government, so we'll just stick with the fact that it's a crime. I don't know why people try to legislate morality anyway! |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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You do something illegal you deserve to be caught. Why do people have gripes about it? Plus why should we be warning them? This and the pee test thread have me thinking that people should keep their mouths shut. It looks like we're sharing ways to cheat and get out of tests. Makes foreigners look worse.
I admit it's not cool to have someone watching over you. But I don't think they have people staking out our houses with binoculars.Like someone said, they are looking for leads, then follow the leads to the bust. It also sounds like they hand it over to the authorities, so they are just tipping. It's not pure vigilante justice. Although, if it was a random dude just busting into my house with no warrant or authority, I would beat his face.
Traveling, your comment was somewhat warranted but really was self defeating because you used so much derogatory negative Korean stereotypes as an allegory that it actually mimics how Koreans feels about foreigners here. You pretty much fell under the same spell of stereoptyping as the Anti-English spectrum. |
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Goon-Yang
Joined: 28 May 2009
Location: Duh
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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If the cops call you and tell you to come down to the police station..you say no thanks.
If you're stupid enough to go there and submit yourself (that's what you're doing). The police here don't have to tell you your rights. When you show up you're volunteering yourself for a drug test.
K-cops need warrants too you know.
I have this from a goos source...a K-drug cop:) |
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seoulsucker
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: The Land of the Hesitant Cutoff
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I say we all pitch in, hire a private detective and have them follow the ring leader of this lynch mob and find out the cause for his crusade.
Hate like this usually has some source of personal tragedy. Maybe his wife left him for a foreigner, he blew the English portion of his entrance exams and ruined his career, etc. |
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BreakfastInBed
Joined: 16 Oct 2007
Location: Gyeonggi do
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
| You do something illegal you deserve to be caught. |
Really? You deserve it?
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| Why do people have gripes about it? |
All laws are not created equal. Some are neither good nor just. We could say something similar about their application and enforcement too. |
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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I've got boris the enforcers contact info. Seriously could you imagine if a few russian ex-military guys show up on this guys door? |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Goku wrote: |
You do something illegal you deserve to be caught. Why do people have gripes about it? Plus why should we be warning them? This and the pee test thread have me thinking that people should keep their mouths shut. It looks like we're sharing ways to cheat and get out of tests. Makes foreigners look worse.
I admit it's not cool to have someone watching over you. But I don't think they have people staking out our houses with binoculars.Like someone said, they are looking for leads, then follow the leads to the bust. It also sounds like they hand it over to the authorities, so they are just tipping. It's not pure vigilante justice. Although, if it was a random dude just busting into my house with no warrant or authority, I would beat his face.
Traveling, your comment was somewhat warranted but really was self defeating because you used so much derogatory negative Korean stereotypes as an allegory that it actually mimics how Koreans feels about foreigners here. You pretty much fell under the same spell of stereoptyping as the Anti-English spectrum. |
Two separate issues, though. Foreign English teachers acting like twats when they're aware of how strict Korean laws are about this kind of thing, and how eager some portions of the population are to catch us in the act, get what they have coming to them. It's not about morality -- it's about stupidity.
But. These Anti-English Spectrum Cafe whackjobs...
Like the pathetic excuses for human beings who spend every weekend down at the Mexican border back home wearing American flag trucker caps and waving around sawed-off shotguns, insisting the American government isn't doing enough to "protect" us from Mexican immigrants, you have to wonder what tragically twisted act of man or fate can lead someone to be so dissatisfied with their lot in life as to willfully engage in this complete and utter hillbilly redneck nonsense.
Perhaps we could start a pool to provide Mr. Lee with a simple vacation abroad, so that he can experience the outside world and stop being so afraid of it. Or, failing that, we could provide him with a few books so he can educate and entertain himself a little more sufficiently.
What a cock. |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| BreakfastInBed wrote: |
| Goku wrote: |
| You do something illegal you deserve to be caught. |
Really? You deserve it?
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| Why do people have gripes about it? |
All laws are not created equal. Some are neither good nor just. We could say something similar about their application and enforcement too. |
I agree that laws aren't always in accordance with morals. But that becomes a dangerous thing when people start deciding to follow laws based on their own sense of morality. Whose to say that your morals are more correct than the next guys? What if the guy next to you is a serial killer? Pedophiles don't think what they are doing is wrong either.
Personally, I don't think anything is morally wrong with gambling, smoking grass, prositution, or even fighting. However, from a standpoint of society order and civility these laws are necessary for prevention of a whirlpool of degenerate society.
Let's for example imagine you own your own private hawiian village. Now, some people start gambling. But the locals start fighting over lost money, families go bankrupt, and people commit suicide after huge losses of debt. Your own private utopia is utterly fubar because of this one social pastime. So what will you do? You outlaw it. You say no more gambling. But then of course is just a bunch of regular joes who want to have a regular poker game. Do you let them slide by? Well, some of the other locals see that you let them get away with it, so then they start doing it too. Either you will lose authority or you won't be respected as fair if you let the poker buddies slide by.
Laws aren't simple matters about right and wrong, there is a much bigger and important perception as to why they need to be followed. It's for the entire sake of society as a whole.
So yes, when I say they deserve it for breaking the law, they do. Hey I love texas holdem as much as the next guy. REALLY I do. But under the eyes of big brother you listen to what he orders and you follow them. He doesn't do it because he hates you and hates texas hold em. He does it to prevent people like Mr. Kim your next door neighbor from going out and spending his children's food money on the slots. |
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