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[catman]

[Harpeau]

Thanks for sharing the article Catman. It is very sad that a young man gives his life for the uniform and is not respected for his sexuality. I, myself believe in monogammy in whatever form it takes. It would be nice to see the U.S. Army come out of the dark ages, IMHO.

[Gopher]

Very interesting to see self-proclaimed noninterventionists so easily and self-righteously intervene in another nation-states domestic affairs through the press...

[catman]

Opinion vs Bombing. hmmmm

[Robot_Teacher]

He'll probably get a high paying translator position and be happy they did kick him out.

[ManintheMiddle]

catman:

Put your claws back and snarl less. The policy was put into place not to discriminate but to protect the forces. Even Powell, himself a victim racism in Vietnam, approved of it because force security is viewed as dependent on having this policy in place. So argue the merits of that rationale if you wish but you're assuming far too much if you think this is just gay-bashing.

Clearly Choi is pushing the issue. So let's see how it plays out.

[catman]

[CentralCali]

You guys do realize that it's not an Army policy but rather a US law that's at issue here, don't you?

[ED209]

The British military actively recruits from the gay community. How does firing someone with sort after skills maintain force security?

[Robot_Teacher]

Yes it is US law determined by the executive branch, the president. President Clinton enacted the, "Don't ask, Don't tell," back in the mid 90's while I was in. I grew so bored of hearing dumb guys spew out the endless slew of wise cracks and jokes about Clinton's policy for thousands of hours. And then when you don't pay attention and respond appropriately, you get ostracized. I went through basic in the early 90's and they did interrogate us individually if we were gay and told us we would be doing a dishonor to America by joining if gay.

It's not about skills and performance in the US Army and American companies, business decisions run on false manufactured puritanical ideals based on irrational favoritism, nepotism, sexism, racism, narcissism, selfish greed, and other preferences that meet a status quo mold that are deemed illegal and unprofessional in practice, but corruption goes on while we put on an image that these corruptions don't exist. America talks the talk, but fails to walk the talk. Our conservative values are based on judging those that are different as being unacceptable and then ostracized; not conserving and make better use of resources like how being conservative is done elsewhere. If you look like something you're truly not, but not falling into the status quo, then you'll be labeled as that and ostracized by 95% of people. It's obvious we still have outdated ideology in place that Europe once lived by, but abandoned long ago. As a kid, I argued these facts and discussed this with many people, becuase I knew all along we had it all wrong. I wasn't retarded like many tried to make me out to be. I was only a poor boy with a contrarian mind recognizing so many wrongs with our status quo and how it prevents the meritocracy our country boasts to have fostered.

You can be the best, give it all, and still lose in the American system. So many good people, gay and straight, are fired, go broke, get sued, or imprisoned for being the wrong person at the wrong time in the wrong place not that they did anything wrong. It's not a fair level playing field like the way they play on it to be. We're well over due for reform on all levels.

[Tiger Beer]

Choi's real problem is he is politicizing it. He wants to be a political activist for change.

The military isn't in the 'political activist for change' business. You join the military, and you SERVE the country, you don't get all political and try to CHANGE the POLITICS of the branch you are serving.

You're suppose to follow orders, NOT create your own rules and encourage everyone else to your own ideas. It's basically fundamental rule #1 broken.

It isn't the sexual orientation, as 'don't ask, don't tell' implies you can serve. It's just doing press conferences and everything...you've become a political activist for change...and the army didn't employ you for that, you're suppose to be serving the armed forces, not your own personal interests/agendas.

[catman]

[Gopher]

[djsmnc]

An army of manlove and pederasty fueled the conquering ability of the ancient Greeks and Romans! I think we need to allow some hairy rim love to strengthen the American forces. Nothing like the sweet smell of another man's armpit to strengthen your resolve against the enemy!

[Tiger Beer]