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Palladium
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:32 am Post subject: North Korea Launches 6 Missiles |
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S Korea says North fires 6 missiles off east coast
By KWANG-TAE KIM
Associated Press
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_missile
SEOUL, South Korea � North Korea fired six ballistic missiles off its eastern coast Saturday, South Korea said, a violation of U.N. resolutions and an apparent message of defiance to the United States on its Independence Day.
The launches, which came two days after North Korea fired four short-range cruise missiles, will likely further escalate tensions in the region as the U.S. tries to muster support for tough enforcement of the U.N. resolution imposed on the communist regime for its May nuclear test.
South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said three missiles were fired early Saturday, a fourth around noon and two more in the afternoon. The Defense Ministry said that the missiles were ballistic and are believed to have flown more than 250 miles (400 kilometers).
"Our military is fully ready to counter any North Korean threats and provocations based on strong South Korea-U.S. combined defense posture," the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted military officials as saying the missiles appeared to be a type of Scud missile. North Korea's Scuds are considered short-range, the South's military said.
North Korea is not allowed to fire Scuds, medium-range missiles or long-range missiles under a resolution that bans any launch using ballistic missile technology. Thursday's launches, on the other hand, did not violate the resolution as they were cruise missiles rather than ballistic, according to South Korea's Foreign Ministry.
Ballistic missiles are guided during their ascent out of the atmosphere but fall freely when they descend. Cruise missiles are fired straight at a target.
The North has a record of timing missile tests for the U.S. national day, which fell on Saturday.
"The missiles were seen as part of military exercises, but North Korea also appeared to have sent a message to the U.S. through the missile launches," a senior official in South Korea's presidential said, without elaborating.
The official told The Associated Press that North Korea could fire more missiles in coming days, but said there was little possibility it could fire an intercontinental ballistic missile, as it threatened in April.
He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to media.
North Korea's state news agency carried no reports on the launches. But the North had warned ships to stay away from its east coast through July 10 for military exercises � an indication it was planning launches.
The chief of U.S. Naval operations, Adm. Gary Roughead, said Saturday the American military was ready for any North Korean missile tests.
"Our ships and forces here are prepared for the tracking of the missiles and observing the activities that are going on," Roughead said after meeting Japanese military officials in Tokyo before the news of the launches.
South Korea and Japan, which are within easy range of North Korean missiles, condemned the launches as a "provocative" act that violates the U.N. resolution.
South Korea "expressed deep regret over the North's continuous behavior that escalates tensions in Northeast Asia by repeatedly defying" the resolution, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
In Tokyo, Chief Cabinet Secretary Takeo Kawamura said in a statement that the launch of missiles "is a serious act of provocation against the security of neighboring countries, including Japan, and is against the resolution of the U.N Security Council."
In Beijing, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said he had no immediate comment. China is the North's closest ally.
During the U.S. Independence Day holiday in 2006, Pyongyang fired a barrage of missiles, including a long-range Taepodong-2 that broke apart and fell into the ocean less than a minute after liftoff. Those launches also came amid tensions with the U.S. over North Korea's nuclear program.
A long-range missile launch by North Korea toward the United States would further flout the U.N. sanctions resolution punishing Pyongyang for its May 25 nuclear test. The U.S. last month said it had positioned more missile defenses around Hawaii as a precaution.
But spy satellites have apparently not detected any of the preparations that would normally precede such a launch.
The North wants to show Washington that it is not yielding to pressure, and the regime is likely to save a long-range launch for later, Kim Yong-hyun, a professor at Seoul's Dongguk University and an expert on the country, said Friday. |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Oh man we are so *bleep*. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:34 am Post subject: |
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phoneboothface wrote: |
Oh man we are so *bleep*. |
Why?
The measured 'provocation' is not much of a provocation at all. They were all short-range missiles. None of them threatened US territory. The Norks are clearly whining for attention. They are not getting the international attention they so desperately crave.
They tested a nuke and shot off a big missile and the only response they got was silence followed by a tepid UN response; they send out a ship possibly carrying banned weapons and all they get is a US ship trailing it.
They are bluffing. They know they are bluffing. We know they are bluffing. Everyone knows that a country with a couple of possibly functional nukes and a handful of shakey missiles is in no position to threaten anyone. They are just 'talking big' because that is all they have.
What's happening these days is just for internal consumption while the Kim dynasty works out the succession. When the Norks are ready to talk about normal relations they will stop acting like a school yard bully. |
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phoneboothface
Joined: 26 Apr 2009 Location: Korea
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:41 am Post subject: |
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I was being sarcastic and agreed with basically all you said.
I really wanted the US to board the Kang Nam boat they are trailing.
NK is an awfully small bully... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:57 am Post subject: |
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I really wanted the US to board the Kang Nam boat they are trailing. |
Really?
You wanted an act of war? For centuries it has been acknowledged that ships at sea cannot be boarded by foreign troops--much like foreign people cannot occupy a foreign embassy.
Just because the US set up the PSI system doesn't mean it is legal. Even the UN cannot at this point legitimize its actions of boarding and searching a ship without permission.
Maybe the system will become legitimate in the future, but so far, NO country has surrendered its sovereignty that much. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:20 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Maybe the system will become legitimate in the future, but so far, NO country has surrendered its sovereignty that much. |
It's time for that to change. When individuals within our own communities commit dangerous acts, we don't respect their sovereignty, we intervene. Nations within the international community need to be held to the same standards. Basic standards of conduct that supercede national sovereignty -- along with the means to enforce them -- need to be put into place. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:38 am Post subject: |
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Fox wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Maybe the system will become legitimate in the future, but so far, NO country has surrendered its sovereignty that much. |
It's time for that to change. When individuals within our own communities commit dangerous acts, we don't respect their sovereignty, we intervene. Nations within the international community need to be held to the same standards. Basic standards of conduct that supercede national sovereignty -- along with the means to enforce them -- need to be put into place. |
I pretty much agree with you, but who has that authority? The nationalists in each and every country? The New World Order? It has always been a struggle to establish the concept of international law. It's far more acceptable to the weak than the strong.
It's going to be a long haul and I'm not going to live long enough to see it happen. Step by step. And even then, the bacaspers of the world are going to kick and scream. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Fox wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Maybe the system will become legitimate in the future, but so far, NO country has surrendered its sovereignty that much. |
It's time for that to change. When individuals within our own communities commit dangerous acts, we don't respect their sovereignty, we intervene. Nations within the international community need to be held to the same standards. Basic standards of conduct that supercede national sovereignty -- along with the means to enforce them -- need to be put into place. |
I pretty much agree with you, but who has that authority? The nationalists in each and every country? The New World Order? It has always been a struggle to establish the concept of international law. It's far more acceptable to the weak than the strong.
It's going to be a long haul and I'm not going to live long enough to see it happen. Step by step. And even then, the bacaspers of the world are going to kick and scream. |
Damn straight. |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
I pretty much agree with you, but who has that authority? The nationalists in each and every country? The New World Order? It has always been a struggle to establish the concept of international law. It's far more acceptable to the weak than the strong. |
Progressively larger areas of the world will form such organizations, and eventually we'll end up with something reasonable. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 7:23 am Post subject: Re: North Korea Launches 6 Missiles |
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Palladium wrote: |
S Korea says North fires 6 missiles off east coast
By KWANG-TAE KIM
Associated Press
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090704/ap_on_re_as/as_nkorea_missile
SEOUL, South Korea � North Korea fired six ballistic missiles off its eastern coast Saturday, South Korea said, a violation of U.N. resolutions and an apparent message of defiance to the United States on its Independence Day.
The launches, which came two days after North Korea fired four short-range cruise missiles, will likely further escalate tensions in the region as the U.S. tries to muster support for tough enforcement of the U.N. resolution imposed on the communist regime for its May nuclear test.
South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff said three missiles were fired early Saturday, a fourth around noon and two more in the afternoon. The Defense Ministry said that the missiles were ballistic and are believed to have flown more than 250 miles (400 kilometers).
"Our military is fully ready to counter any North Korean threats and provocations based on strong South Korea-U.S. combined defense posture," the Joint Chiefs of Staff said in a statement.
South Korea's Yonhap news agency quoted military officials as saying the missiles appeared to be a type of Scud missile. North Korea's Scuds are considered short-range, the South's military said.
North Korea is not allowed to fire Scuds, medium-range missiles or long-range missiles under a resolution that bans any launch using ballistic missile technology. Thursday's launches, on the other hand, did not violate the resolution as they were cruise missiles rather than ballistic, according to South Korea's Foreign Ministry.
Ballistic missiles are guided during their ascent out of the atmosphere but fall freely when they descend. Cruise missiles are fired straight at a target.
The North has a record of timing missile tests for the U.S. national day, which fell on Saturday.
"The missiles were seen as part of military exercises, but North Korea also appeared to have sent a message to the U.S. through the missile launches," a senior official in South Korea's presidential said, without elaborating.
The official told The Associated Press that North Korea could fire more missiles in coming days, but said there was little possibility it could fire an intercontinental ballistic missile, as it threatened in April.
He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to media.
North Korea's state news agency carried no reports on the launches. But the North had warned ships to stay away from its east coast through July 10 for military exercises � an indication it was planning launches.
The chief of U.S. Naval operations, Adm. Gary Roughead, said Saturday the American military was ready for any North Korean missile tests.
"Our ships and forces here are prepared for the tracking of the missiles and observing the activities that are going on," Roughead said after meeting Japanese military officials in Tokyo before the news of the launches.
South Korea and Japan, which are within easy range of North Korean missiles, condemned the launches as a "provocative" act that violates the U.N. resolution.
South Korea "expressed deep regret over the North's continuous behavior that escalates tensions in Northeast Asia by repeatedly defying" the resolution, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
In Tokyo, Chief Cabinet Secretary Takeo Kawamura said in a statement that the launch of missiles "is a serious act of provocation against the security of neighboring countries, including Japan, and is against the resolution of the U.N Security Council."
In Beijing, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said he had no immediate comment. China is the North's closest ally.
During the U.S. Independence Day holiday in 2006, Pyongyang fired a barrage of missiles, including a long-range Taepodong-2 that broke apart and fell into the ocean less than a minute after liftoff. Those launches also came amid tensions with the U.S. over North Korea's nuclear program.
A long-range missile launch by North Korea toward the United States would further flout the U.N. sanctions resolution punishing Pyongyang for its May 25 nuclear test. The U.S. last month said it had positioned more missile defenses around Hawaii as a precaution.
But spy satellites have apparently not detected any of the preparations that would normally precede such a launch.
The North wants to show Washington that it is not yielding to pressure, and the regime is likely to save a long-range launch for later, Kim Yong-hyun, a professor at Seoul's Dongguk University and an expert on the country, said Friday. |
So lame! What happened to the long range Hawaii missile (which is still pretty lame)? This is like making terrorist threats to nuke the White House and then throwing eggs at it on Halloween.
You want a reaction? Lob some missiles at foreign land! "No food aid? I'm gonna bomb the ocean, beeyotch!" |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Fox wrote: |
Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Maybe the system will become legitimate in the future, but so far, NO country has surrendered its sovereignty that much. |
It's time for that to change. When individuals within our own communities commit dangerous acts, we don't respect their sovereignty, we intervene. Nations within the international community need to be held to the same standards. Basic standards of conduct that supercede national sovereignty -- along with the means to enforce them -- need to be put into place. |
I pretty much agree with you, but who has that authority? The nationalists in each and every country? The New World Order? It has always been a struggle to establish the concept of international law. It's far more acceptable to the weak than the strong.
It's going to be a long haul and I'm not going to live long enough to see it happen. Step by step. And even then, the bacaspers of the world are going to kick and scream. |
Damn straight. |
Actually, I support world government in the form of the World Service Authority which, if it ever came to fruition, would be entrusted with limiting powers of national governments. |
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