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wylies99
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 Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:42 am Post subject: Girls'Generation song mired by plagarism dispute |
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http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/art/2009/07/135_47912.html
``Genie,�� a new song released by Girls� Generation last week, has been embroiled in a plagiarism dispute.
Some Internet users have raised questions about the fact that an Uzbek female singer unveiled a song similar to ``Genie,�� which has been enjoying growing population in South Korea, several months earlier.
A music video of ``Raqsga Tushgin�� sung by Uzbekistan�s Dineyra showed that the song has the same melody as ``Genie�� with only the lyrics being different.
SM Entertainment, the agent of Girls� Generation, one of South Korea�s top pop groups, said it had won authorization with regard to ``Genie�� on Feb. 1 from Sweden�s Music Publishing Group.
European composers wrote the song and a South Korean songwriter added a melody and some lyrics to it, it said.
Read the rest at the link above.
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pocariboy73
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: |
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No way. It can't be true. 
This should be a Sticky.
btw, why did you post this in the Job Discussion Forum? It belong in the TRASH! |
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chemicalblur
Joined: 30 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Actually heard about this story from some attorney colleagues about a month back. I didn't know it was related to Girls Generation at the time (sorry, I'm not a fan).
Anyway, what it comes down to is that SM/Universal Music purchased the rights to this song prior to the version released by Uzbekistan�s Dineyra (even though Dineyra's version was recorded and released to the public prior to Girls Generation's).
It will be SM/Universal Music taking legal action against Dineyra and her label, not the other way around. Basically, Dineyra did not have rights to the song upon release. I would imagine SM/Universal will take all the proceeds from Dineyra's efforts.
Sorry to disappoint you guys. I knew you were just itching to fire off those "all Koreans are plagiarists" e-bombs. |
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mt01ap
Joined: 04 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:26 am Post subject: |
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....whatever
소녀시대= nice legs  |
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pkang0202
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Pop singers rarely write their own songs.
Its the same no matter what country you are in. How many Britney Spears songs are written solely by Britney Spears? How many Spice Girls songs were written by the Spice Girls?
Don't get me started on hip hop "artists". They blatantly plagiarize under the guise of "sampling tracks".
Pop music sucks. |
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benji1422
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: Los Angeles & Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
Pop singers rarely write their own songs.
Its the same no matter what country you are in. How many Britney Spears songs are written solely by Britney Spears? How many Spice Girls songs were written by the Spice Girls?
Don't get me started on hip hop "artists". They blatantly plagiarize under the guise of "sampling tracks".
Pop music sucks. |
Dude what an ignorant statement. Pop music, hip-hop based r&b, is not about musicianship and they do not "plagiarize" - nobody is sitting thinking, "gosh that MC Hammer, his band is tight!" The form is based in sampling 70s disco soul and r&b, and showmanship. It is in the tradition of a lot of post modern art forms which use found material from another source and re-arrange them to create a new form of expression. Not only that, but the artists have to pay the original authors of samples or they get sued.
Yeah, Britney Spears doesn't write her owns songs... neither did Elvis, Marvin Gaye, The Jacksons (or a lot of Motown)... need I go on?
SNSD? They are hot and fun to watch. Nobody goes to an SNSD and waits to flick their lighter at the guitar solo.
Rock music? Live music? It sucks these days because its a 50 year old art form that peaked in the late 60s and hasn't evolved since 1992 and grunge. That's why nobody's interested in it. |
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TpaK
Joined: 11 Nov 2008
Location: USA Virginia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: |
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| benji1422 wrote: |
| pkang0202 wrote: |
Pop singers rarely write their own songs.
Its the same no matter what country you are in. How many Britney Spears songs are written solely by Britney Spears? How many Spice Girls songs were written by the Spice Girls?
Don't get me started on hip hop "artists". They blatantly plagiarize under the guise of "sampling tracks".
Pop music sucks. |
Dude what an ignorant statement. Pop music, hip-hop based r&b, is not about musicianship and they do not "plagiarize" - nobody is sitting thinking, "gosh that MC Hammer, his band is tight!" The form is based in sampling 70s disco soul and r&b, and showmanship. It is in the tradition of a lot of post modern art forms which use found material from another source and re-arrange them to create a new form of expression. Not only that, but the artists have to pay the original authors of samples or they get sued. |
Come on who are you kidding? Most samples were not cleared (or even mentioned in the booklet) at all until DJ Premier got sued. Even mainstream songs tried to get away with <strike>stealing</strike>sampling and did not credit the original artist or pay the original artist (Dr. Dre getting sued for trying to sample an obscure indian song for the song "Addictive"). Actually the majority of rap and hip hop songs which are sampled do not pay royalty money for who they sampled. Fact. Rappers don't wanna pay royalty money or pay to get their samples cleared, most will try to get away with it and hope the original artist doesn't notice. |
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Summer Wine
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I found it interesting that some of the number 1 songs in the 70's actually were remixs of the songs written in the 1920's and 1940's.
Some of the songs in the 2000's are actually remixs of songs written in the 60's and 70's.
It interests me how certain music and ideas are in many cases actually just repeats of earlier songs or ideas. |
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Scotticus
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:47 am Post subject: |
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| TpaK wrote: |
Come on who are you kidding? Most samples were not cleared (or even mentioned in the booklet) at all until DJ Premier got sued. Even mainstream songs tried to get away with <strike>stealing</strike>sampling and did not credit the original artist or pay the original artist (Dr. Dre getting sued for trying to sample an obscure indian song for the song "Addictive"). Actually the majority of rap and hip hop songs which are sampled do not pay royalty money for who they sampled. Fact. Rappers don't wanna pay royalty money or pay to get their samples cleared, most will try to get away with it and hope the original artist doesn't notice. |
Do you have any, oh, I don't know... actual facts to back any of this up? For someone who uses a lot of words that imply authoritative knowledge, I'd be willing to put a good chunk of change down that you're full of crap. |
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chemicalblur
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Remember Vanilla Ice / David Bowie? I remember his excuse was that the insertion of an extra note in the melody made it completely different. |
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benji1422
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heddydivvydee
Joined: 02 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| benji1422 wrote: |
| The OPs that are bothered by sampling should not listen to Girl Talk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JBAxkZun3s) unless their head might explode. |
Not to split hairs, but Girl Talk makes mash-ups. That goes a little beyond sampling. |
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TpaK
Joined: 11 Nov 2008
Location: USA Virginia
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Scotticus wrote: |
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Come on who are you kidding? Most samples were not cleared (or even mentioned in the booklet) at all until DJ Premier got sued. Even mainstream songs tried to get away with <strike>stealing</strike>sampling and did not credit the original artist or pay the original artist (Dr. Dre getting sued for trying to sample an obscure indian song for the song "Addictive"). Actually the majority of rap and hip hop songs which are sampled do not pay royalty money for who they sampled. Fact. Rappers don't wanna pay royalty money or pay to get their samples cleared, most will try to get away with it and hope the original artist doesn't notice. |
Do you have any, oh, I don't know... actual facts to back any of this up? For someone who uses a lot of words that imply authoritative knowledge, I'd be willing to put a good chunk of change down that you're full of crap. |
Are you stupid or did you just start listening to rap music this year? If you have no knowledge what so ever about rap, then you're wasting my time.
Here's a start, if you've been listening to rap since you were young, go open up all the cd cases and look through the booklet and see how many of those samples were cleared. I happen to collect samples, and the majority of them have never been cleared, especially if it's from an obscure artist no one knows about. Besides, if the person is not a major well known mainstream artist, he doesn't even have the money to clear the sample!
How about you know somewhat about what you're talking about next time before you go tell someone their full of crap. It's obvious you're not really into hip hop and rap. In fact if you really want to embarrass yourself, go onto a hip hop forum and ask them if the majority of samples get cleared by the original artist.
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Most samples were not cleared (or even mentioned in the booklet) at all until DJ Premier got sued. |
I think you mean Biz Markie. |
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TpaK
Joined: 11 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Tiberious aka Sparkles wrote: |
| TpaK wrote: |
| Most samples were not cleared (or even mentioned in the booklet) at all until DJ Premier got sued. |
I think you mean Biz Markie. |
Even though Biz Markie was the first major incident and had a powerful effect on the industry, people were still for the most part not clearing their samples. If I remember correctly, most of Illmatic was never cleared and it even sampled Michael Jackson. Most of the Wu Tang catalog was never even cleared, same with DJ Premier, Pete Rock and other major artists and producers etc etc |
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