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Zantetsuken
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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Wait a minute, what's wrong with smoking in a underground parking lot?
How does this harm you? Yeah, it may be against the rules, but seriously, why is it an issue to you?
You do realize that the fumes that come from your car are a lot more harmful?
I support the old Korean dude on this one. |
It's an issue to me because...
1. I bought an apartment in this building because it had clear no-smoking areas.
2. I can't stand smoke - my mother died from lung cancer this year and I want nothing to do with it.
3. If he wants to smoke in the smoking areas, that's his call. I avoid those areas because people smoke there. He can smoke there, I can walk with my family where it is restricted.
So, you actually "support the old Korean dude on this one"? What part about his actions did you support? The part where he was smoking in the wrong area? The part where he called my wife an effin bitch? The part where he tried to push me to get to her?
Please, do tell, what exactly do you like about what he did? |
First of all you are a total hypocrite in that you are all worried about health and yet you choose to drive a car and thus further contributing to the air pollution in this city.
Secondly, sorry about your mom, but I don't think the second hand smoke within a parking garage is a real threat to you and your family.
It's a parking garage! He's not smoking directly out your apartment door.
Was he smoking near the exit/enterennce of the parking garage? |
Damn Endo...that ain't no way to be talking to the Captain. Show some respect bro. What he did to that ajosshi is mere childsplay compared to what he'll unleash on you if you run your mouth....I pity the fool who runs afoul of the captain. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
Wait a minute, what's wrong with smoking in a underground parking lot?
How does this harm you? Yeah, it may be against the rules, but seriously, why is it an issue to you?
You do realize that the fumes that come from your car are a lot more harmful?
I support the old Korean dude on this one. |
It's an issue to me because...
1. I bought an apartment in this building because it had clear no-smoking areas.
2. I can't stand smoke - my mother died from lung cancer this year and I want nothing to do with it.
3. If he wants to smoke in the smoking areas, that's his call. I avoid those areas because people smoke there. He can smoke there, I can walk with my family where it is restricted.
So, you actually "support the old Korean dude on this one"? What part about his actions did you support? The part where he was smoking in the wrong area? The part where he called my wife an effin bitch? The part where he tried to push me to get to her?
Please, do tell, what exactly do you like about what he did? |
1. First of all you are a total hypocrite in that you are all worried about health and yet you choose to drive a car and thus further contributing to the air pollution in this city.
2. Secondly, sorry about your mom, but I don't think the second hand smoke within a parking garage is a real threat to you and your family.
3. It's a parking garage! He's not smoking directly out your apartment door.
4. Was he smoking near the exit/enterennce of the parking garage? |
1. The rules of my building clearly state that there is no smoking in that area. If it said there was no parking in that area, then I'd be a hypocrite.
2. I do. I dislike it. I try to avoid it. I have that right.
3. He's smoking in a public area that I (and many others) must walk through.
4. No.
So, you actually "support the old Korean dude on this one"? What part about his actions did you support? The part where he was smoking in the wrong area? The part where he called my wife an effin bitch? The part where he tried to push me to get to her?
Please, do tell, what exactly do you like about what he did? |
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MorneauRules
Joined: 28 Jun 2009
Location: Your face
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: Re: Being backed up |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| He was shocked, and then he got that 'over-actor I'm a tough guy and really mad' look |
No way! A Korean over-acted? NEVER HAVE SEEN IT IN MY LIFE! Bwahahahhahahahhahahhahhah.
These Koreans are ridiculous in the way that they over-act EVERYTHING. I was in the mall and saw this mother teaching her kid to make this overwhelmingly and obviously fake facial expression and sound. She was turning her head away and saying "sooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit" and making the kid turn the head like so drastically and say "sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmeeeeeee shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit" too.
I wondered why these people act like this but now I know. They teach each other at a young age to act ridiculous like the Korean television shows here. It's really pathetic. |
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MorneauRules
Joined: 28 Jun 2009
Location: Your face
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Being backed up |
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I'm hesitant to tell this story, so I'm going to put my motive up first.
For the last month or more I've seen more than a few posters try to criticize Korean spouses for 'not backing the foreigner up.' Goldmember in particular has created a number of threads on the subject, and the recent posting about a guy getting accosted at a swimming pool brought a chorus of 'why didn't your wife bloody well say something!?!?'
Well, tonight my wife did.
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We were heading to the car in the underground parking and when we got off the elevator, there was a middle aged (40?) man standing there smoking. Both I and my wife politely told him that this was a no-smoking building. He said nothing and we proceeded to put our kid in the car seat. Then he started walking over to us and shouting how there's no signs saying such and that he didn't believe us. I offered to bring him to the building guard and he could explain it if he didn't believe us.
At this point my wife started to get a little pissed. He had been speaking ban-mal to us for most of it, and even when I was being decent with him about promising him that it's a no-smoking building, he was being quite rude to me, slipping in swear words and degrading comments whenever possible. So, she let into him with a bevy of Korean and English cusses - giving it right back to him. She said, if you're going to talk that way to us, I'll speak that way to you.
The look on his face was priceless. He was shocked, and then he got that 'over-actor I'm a tough guy and really mad' look on his face. He started moving towards my wife, and I stepped in between and told him to cut it out or he'd have to go through me. He tried shoving past me, but that didn't work. Then he tried to shove into me, but soon found himself on the ground in a 'submission hold'.
I let him up the second after he relaxed (which was only a matter of seconds), and he pulled out his phone right away and dialed 112. I guess he thought I'd back down on that. I encouraged him to call, and even said I'd go to the lobby to wait for the police. He pushed me first and poked his finger into my chest, and because of my naturally pale skin, it looked pretty darn red. 
We went to the lobby and drew a crowd. Lucky for me, everyone realized that 1. he was drunk, and 2. I was being pretty reasonable. I wasn't emotional at all, and said I'd be more than willing to have to the police handle it. He on the other hand, was turning on anyone in the crowd that questioned him.
20 minutes later and a lot of him raving.. and it was done. His 'driver' came and took him home... and I went about my night.
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I don't really want people to focus on the physical part of this - it was really over in a few seconds and would not be what I would consider and actual fight.
My main point in this is to show
1. That many of the Koreans here that are friends/loved ones can and do back us up.
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2. Even with that back up, dealing with a drunk is still a waste of time - I should have just bloody well ignored him.  |
You're awesome, man. That was the sweetest thing I've read in a while. You've got to smash those suckers who try to f w/ you. I've been here for over a year now and have come to that point. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| He pushed me first and poked his finger into my chest |
doesn't that qualify as assault here? You could've been in line for a payout.
Man you gotta laugh at how ridiculous it is in this country. How much is a dirty look worth? A million?
Makes me wonder what those 1000+ foreign prison inmates are in for exactly. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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4. No. |
So he wasn't smoking near the enterance?
Now I could possibly sympathise with you if this was the case. That's common courtesy and I as a smoker don't do this.
So where in the parking garage was he smoking? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
4. No. |
So he wasn't smoking near the enterance?
Now I could possibly sympathise with you if this was the case. That's common courtesy and I as a smoker don't do this.
So where in the parking garage was he smoking? |
Not the entrance where the cars drive in. He was smoking by the elevator that let's out into the parking, shopping, and train level (my building is attached to a train station). So, it is the entrance for people to enter the parking area... but not the actual entrance for cars and such.
I've asked before, so I'll ask again;
So, you actually "support the old Korean dude on this one"? What part about his actions did you support? The part where he was smoking in the wrong area? The part where he called my wife an effin bitch? The part where he tried to push me to get to her?
Please, do tell, what exactly do you like about what he did? |
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exit86
Joined: 17 May 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Captain, I totally hear where you are coming from.
I also gotta say that you got lucky on this one. It really could have gone bad for you.
Unfortunately, you probably do look like the bad guy to those involved and present. (Sorry guy, this is K. logic for you.)
We don't believe in absolutes in this country; there are no universal rules.
Sure, we put up signs and write up laws to make it look like we care about rules and laws (afterall, seeming is being . . right???), but we don't care about rules. The rule is: the biggest baby gets the bottle.
Accoding to K. logic here, the biggest baby in your case should have been given his bottle. It was not given so he made a big scene. Who is to blame? you--not the baby drunk jerk. Why? because of your lack of attention and understanding of the jerk's "situation," the social harmony
was broken.
As a parent, you ought to have recognized this fact about Koreans with their kids: if the kid cries, give him/her what they want.
That's how Koreans deal with their kids, each other, North Korea, etc.
We all love your story--because most of us have spines--and a lot of us
(myself included) would have loved for that jerk to have been punished more somehow.
I just think you are lucky it didn't go really bad for you. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I've asked before, so I'll ask again;
So, you actually "support the old Korean dude on this one"? What part about his actions did you support? The part where he was smoking in the wrong area? The part where he called my wife an effin bitch? The part where he tried to push me to get to her?
Please, do tell, what exactly do you like about what he did? |
Of course I don't support the guy calling your wife what he did. But it should of never got to that point.
You initianted something without seeing the hypocricy in your actions.
You're worried about your health, yet you drive a car, which is far more damaging to you and your family's health than some adjusshi's second hannd smoke. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
I've asked before, so I'll ask again;
So, you actually "support the old Korean dude on this one"? What part about his actions did you support? The part where he was smoking in the wrong area? The part where he called my wife an effin bitch? The part where he tried to push me to get to her?
Please, do tell, what exactly do you like about what he did? |
Of course I don't support the guy calling your wife what he did. But it should of never got to that point.
You initianted something without seeing the hypocricy in your actions.
You're worried about your health, yet you drive a car, which is far more damaging to you and your family's health than some adjusshi's second hannd smoke. |
Yet you said you support the guy.
| endo wrote: |
I support the old Korean dude on this one. |
So what part of his actions do you support?
Also, I notice you keep trying to steer the conversation towards cars/smoking... sorry mate, I'm not biting. The rules were clear, and he was breaking them. If I too was breaking the rules, I suppose you could call me out on that - but I wasn't.
So I'll ask again, what part of what he did do you support? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| endo wrote: |
You initianted something without seeing the hypocricy in your actions.
You're worried about your health, yet you drive a car, which is far more damaging to you and your family's health than some adjusshi's second hannd smoke. |
This is juvenile. |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
I've asked before, so I'll ask again;
So, you actually "support the old Korean dude on this one"? What part about his actions did you support? The part where he was smoking in the wrong area? The part where he called my wife an effin bitch? The part where he tried to push me to get to her?
Please, do tell, what exactly do you like about what he did? |
Of course I don't support the guy calling your wife what he did. But it should of never got to that point.
You initianted something without seeing the hypocricy in your actions.
You're worried about your health, yet you drive a car, which is far more damaging to you and your family's health than some adjusshi's second hannd smoke. |
Yet you said you support the guy.
| endo wrote: |
I support the old Korean dude on this one. |
So what part of his actions do you support?
Also, I notice you keep trying to steer the conversation towards cars/smoking... sorry mate, I'm not biting. The rules were clear, and he was breaking them. If I too was breaking the rules, I suppose you could call me out on that - but I wasn't.
So I'll ask again, what part of what he did do you support? |
[MOD EDIT]
I support the guys right to smoke and not be bothered when it's not really a significant issue.
Especially considering you're about to drive one of the biggest air polluters out there.
A parking garaege is not someone's house. It's not a bar or restaurant. Hospital? No. Ect.....
All those places I can see the merits if limiting or restricting smokers. Fair enough.
But now you anti-smokers want to take away all kind of other areas including now aparently parking garages. F that [MOD EDIT for Filter Dodging].
If we're going to go there then Captain Corea, stop driving a car. I know you have a kid, but if you live in Seoul and you are so worried about your health, there are plenty of cheap public options that are much better for the envoronment.
You're a [MOD EDIT] and therefore I originally support the adjushi to smoke where he did. His other actions were uncalled for, but I would be pissed off too if some high and mighty person told me to put out my smoke with a pair of car keys in his hand. |
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Leafs42084
Joined: 31 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Being backed up |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I'm hesitant to tell this story, so I'm going to put my motive up first.
For the last month or more I've seen more than a few posters try to criticize Korean spouses for 'not backing the foreigner up.' Goldmember in particular has created a number of threads on the subject, and the recent posting about a guy getting accosted at a swimming pool brought a chorus of 'why didn't your wife bloody well say something!?!?'
Well, tonight my wife did.
----------------------------------------------------
We were heading to the car in the underground parking and when we got off the elevator, there was a middle aged (40?) man standing there smoking. Both I and my wife politely told him that this was a no-smoking building. He said nothing and we proceeded to put our kid in the car seat. Then he started walking over to us and shouting how there's no signs saying such and that he didn't believe us. I offered to bring him to the building guard and he could explain it if he didn't believe us.
At this point my wife started to get a little pissed. He had been speaking ban-mal to us for most of it, and even when I was being decent with him about promising him that it's a no-smoking building, he was being quite rude to me, slipping in swear words and degrading comments whenever possible. So, she let into him with a bevy of Korean and English cusses - giving it right back to him. She said, if you're going to talk that way to us, I'll speak that way to you.
The look on his face was priceless. He was shocked, and then he got that 'over-actor I'm a tough guy and really mad' look on his face. He started moving towards my wife, and I stepped in between and told him to cut it out or he'd have to go through me. He tried shoving past me, but that didn't work. Then he tried to shove into me, but soon found himself on the ground in a 'submission hold'.
I let him up the second after he relaxed (which was only a matter of seconds), and he pulled out his phone right away and dialed 112. I guess he thought I'd back down on that. I encouraged him to call, and even said I'd go to the lobby to wait for the police. He pushed me first and poked his finger into my chest, and because of my naturally pale skin, it looked pretty darn red.
We went to the lobby and drew a crowd. Lucky for me, everyone realized that 1. he was drunk, and 2. I was being pretty reasonable. I wasn't emotional at all, and said I'd be more than willing to have to the police handle it. He on the other hand, was turning on anyone in the crowd that questioned him.
20 minutes later and a lot of him raving.. and it was done. His 'driver' came and took him home... and I went about my night.
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I don't really want people to focus on the physical part of this - it was really over in a few seconds and would not be what I would consider and actual fight.
My main point in this is to show
1. That many of the Koreans here that are friends/loved ones can and do back us up.
and
2. Even with that back up, dealing with a drunk is still a waste of time - I should have just bloody well ignored him. |
Is 911 in Korea 112? I remember it being 119 long time ago.... I mean longggggggg time ago
Also you left out the most important part of your story. What kind of submission did you put him in? I imagine you were in top position in his guard? |
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endo
Joined: 14 Mar 2004
Location: Seoul...my home
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| endo wrote: |
You initianted something without seeing the hypocricy in your actions.
You're worried about your health, yet you drive a car, which is far more damaging to you and your family's health than some adjusshi's second hannd smoke. |
This is juvenile. |
How so? |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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I drove an hour and a half yesterday and finally got to the place and into an underground car park.
Like an eager man I stepped out of the car and lit up. I kept the ciggy out of view and the smoke out of the kids' way but.
Frankly I think non smoking areas are designated for fools. There are non smoking areas that are fine for smoking - such as the end of the outside platform of the train line like line one often has. Fools would want to light up in the middle of the platform with passengers all about. That's why we have rules for fools.
The guy you met I think was a bit of a fool. So fair enough. |
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