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Fox
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 Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: U.S. Complains About Soldier Video |
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U.S. Condemnation of Soldier Video.
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| "We condemn the use of this video and the public humiliation of prisoners. It is against international law," U.S. military spokesman Colonel Greg Julian said. "We are doing everything we can to return this soldier to safety." |
This sort of condemnation comes off as so disingenuous after some of the things our nation's government has unashamedly done. It makes us look so hypocritical and pathetic.
I hope the soldier in question is returned safely, but I genuinely feel the actions of our nation regarding the prisoners we have taken make him less likely to be returned safely, not more likely. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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There's a big difference between a soldier in uniform and an insurgent in civilian clothing. When captured, the former is covered by the Geneva Conventions, while the latter is not.
Not that this excuses the treatment of SOME prisoners by SOME American/British soldiers, but going by the letter of said conventions, the U.S. has a point.
And at least in those cases an investigation was called and those deemed to be responsible were punished.
It's a fairly safe bet that those responsible for capturing and mistreating the soldier are never going to be called to account by their higher-ups. |
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supernick
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Wasn't Saddam Hussain video taped and that video released to the media? Was he not also a prisoner of war? |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Wasn't Saddam Hussain video taped and that video released to the media? Was he not also a prisoner of war? |
My question as well. |
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Elvis Gratton
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| They should have just waterboarded him like civilized professionals. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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When the US decapitates it's still living and breathing prisoners on video for the world to see, maybe then we can draw parallels.
Saddam was a head of state, captured after his country was defeated. Do you really believe that no video of him post capture should have been made public? Also, as far as I am aware, Saddam Hussein was not forced to make any declarations during his imprisonment.
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Alright. Two wrongs don't make a right. You're questions and concerns aren't 1% as clever as you think. |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
When the US decapitates it's still living and breathing prisoners on video for the world to see, maybe then we can draw parallels.
Saddam was a head of state, captured after his country was defeated. Do you really believe that no video of him post capture should have been made public? Also, as far as I am aware, Saddam Hussein was not forced to make any declarations during his imprisonment. |
So parading a (former) head of state on global tv is ok? Showing him getting his mouth examined and such. Also, we there not videos/recordings from some official hangings in iraq of former officials?
I'm not trying to say what the 'insurgents' have done is right - far from it. But IMO, there are some parallels. |
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lithium
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Complains About Soldier Video |
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| Fox wrote: |
U.S. Condemnation of Soldier Video.
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| "We condemn the use of this video and the public humiliation of prisoners. It is against international law," U.S. military spokesman Colonel Greg Julian said. "We are doing everything we can to return this soldier to safety." |
This sort of condemnation comes off as so disingenuous after some of the things our nation's government has unashamedly done. It makes us look so hypocritical and pathetic.
I hope the soldier in question is returned safely, but I genuinely feel the actions of our nation regarding the prisoners we have taken make him less likely to be returned safely, not more likely. |
Why do you hate America? If you don't like the USA, assuming you are a citizen, then denounce your citizenship. |
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bacasper
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: U.S. Complains About Soldier Video |
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| lithium wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
U.S. Condemnation of Soldier Video.
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| "We condemn the use of this video and the public humiliation of prisoners. It is against international law," U.S. military spokesman Colonel Greg Julian said. "We are doing everything we can to return this soldier to safety." |
This sort of condemnation comes off as so disingenuous after some of the things our nation's government has unashamedly done. It makes us look so hypocritical and pathetic.
I hope the soldier in question is returned safely, but I genuinely feel the actions of our nation regarding the prisoners we have taken make him less likely to be returned safely, not more likely. |
Why do you hate America? If you don't like the USA, assuming you are a citizen, then denounce your citizenship. |
Please point out where Fox has said that he hates America. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| supernick wrote: |
| Wasn't Saddam Hussain video taped and that video released to the media? Was he not also a prisoner of war? |
He was a wanted criminal who paid the price for his crimes. In the Western world do they not show criminals in handcuffs...especially if they are famous?
Think Enron for just one example. |
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yawarakaijin
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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The videos in question couldn't be more different. Saddam was the leader of his nation not some Ahmed/Joe captured on the battlefield and forced to make propaganda statements.
Are you honestly saying that there should have been no video footage made public of people like Hussein, Milosevic, Pot or others of their ilk after their regimes fell? In terms of legality, I am also curious as to whether or not political leaders of regimes are actually consisdered "prisoners of war" once captured.
The actual video made during Saddam's hanging wasn't made by US forces. As far as I am aware of the US government released only ONE video of Saddam prior to him being formally charged by the Iraqi government. It was primarily done to show the condition he was in when captured. It served a somewhat newsworthy purpose as to inform the people of the condition in which he was captured.
The video released by the insurgents offers no such purpose to the insurgents. It isn't like the average Afghan is like "Oh my god, I can't believe they captured Joe Smith from Cornfield Iowa, OMFG!"
The video was made for one purpose and one purpose only. We have your guy. We are going to behead him. Let you just try and stop us. Allah Allah Allah and all that. |
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thoreau
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
There's a big difference between a soldier in uniform and an insurgent in civilian clothing. When captured, the former is covered by the Geneva Conventions, while the latter is not.
Not that this excuses the treatment of SOME prisoners by SOME American/British soldiers, but going by the letter of said conventions, the U.S. has a point.
And at least in those cases an investigation was called and those deemed to be responsible were punished.
It's a fairly safe bet that those responsible for capturing and mistreating the soldier are never going to be called to account by their higher-ups. |
I don't think the Taliban has signed on to the Geneva convention. |
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RJjr
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Our soldier was fully clothed in the video, unlike Saddam who was in his underwear. Our soldier wasn't even in an orange prison jumpsuit that al Qaeda makes its American prisoners wear in their videos. And I wonder where al Qaeda got that idea...
If we really cared about the soldier, we wouldn't have sent him over there. Now the poor guy is in Taliban videos. He should be chilling with his girlfriend in Idaho instead of the Taliban. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:59 am Post subject: |
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Fox whimpered:
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| This sort of condemnation comes off as so disingenuous after some of the things our nation's government has unashamedly done. It makes us look so hypocritical and pathetic. |
So you're saying that the U.S. doesn't sincerely disdain his use in the propaganda video? 
And how is it hypocritical? Have we been making similar videos of Taliban prisoners?
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| I hope the soldier in question is returned safely, but I genuinely feel the actions of our nation regarding the prisoners we have taken make him less likely to be returned safely, not more likely. |
Why, yes of course, it would have to be our past actions that would prompt the otherwise well-meaning and reasonable Taliban fighters to resort to butchery. It couldn't possibly be the result of their xenophobic, medieval, misogynistic mindset, now could it?
Really, Fox, you've hounded yourself out of credibility. |
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