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revelation2221



Joined: 01 Aug 2009
Location: Gimhae, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: Men with Long Hair Reply with quote

What effect would a man having long hair (shoulder-length) have in applying for an ESL job in Korea? What are the general attitudes toward this, would it be considered acceptable, or is it view in the same way it is for me here in the US, where it makes it very difficult to get many jobs because of it (I've been a student, so it hasn't really been an issue).

Basically, would it be advisable for me to get my hair cut before I send in a picture with my application?
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okayden223



Joined: 05 Jun 2009
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah you should definitely get a haircut. You have almost zero chance of getting a job in a PS with long hair and very little chance of getting a job with a decent hagwon. Usually guys at some hagwons can get away with facial hair but long hair is considered very unprofessional in Korean society (unless you're a pop-star, in which case the more effeminate you look the better).
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Men with Long Hair Reply with quote

revelation2221 wrote:
Basically, would it be advisable for me to get my hair cut before I send in a picture with my application?

Only if you want to land a job. Wink
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Men with Long Hair Reply with quote

revelation2221 wrote:
What effect would a man having long hair (shoulder-length) have in applying for an ESL job in Korea? What are the general attitudes toward this, would it be considered acceptable, or is it view in the same way it is for me here in the US, where it makes it very difficult to get many jobs because of it (I've been a student, so it hasn't really been an issue).


Dude, what on earth makes you think Korea is different? Do you think Koreans like long unkempt hair? It looks dirty anywhere man. If your student days are over, it might be worth investing in a new chop.
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revelation2221



Joined: 01 Aug 2009
Location: Gimhae, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:38 pm    Post subject: To the contrary... Reply with quote

I know, I'm the 20-something guy working on his M.A. that still has long hair (clean and well-groomed) and frequents skate parks, I get a lot of comments about that.

I guess I'll be getting it cut then. It's not altogether unexpected anyway, though I figured it would be best to ask first. Besides, the prospect of a decent job means a whole lot more to me than an extra 8 inches of hair.

I guess it's a good thing I decided to wait to submit my picture and application until after I asked about this. Looks like it could have been rather detrimental to my chances...

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: To the contrary... Reply with quote

revelation2221 wrote:
I know, I'm the 20-something guy working on his M.A. that still has long hair (clean and well-groomed) and frequents skate parks, I get a lot of comments about that.

I guess I'll be getting it cut then. It's not altogether unexpected anyway, though I figured it would be best to ask first. Besides, the prospect of a decent job means a whole lot more to me than an extra 8 inches of hair.

I guess it's a good thing I decided to wait to submit my picture and application until after I asked about this. Looks like it could have been rather detrimental to my chances...

Thanks guys, I appreciate the input.


At last; a newbie who doesn't get all sensitive about good, hard advice. Great attitude man. You can get away with ear-length hair, so you don't need to get too drastic with the clippers. Get a nice shirt and tie - even from Walmart - and you will look a thousand times better. Leave the skate park days behind man Wink
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revelation2221



Joined: 01 Aug 2009
Location: Gimhae, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ear-length, shirt and tie it is (believe it or not, I already have those!).

But leave the skate park days behind? Are you joking? Have you seen some of the skate parks in Korea? Some of them are pretty amazing.

Besides, skating isn't a way of life, it's a hobby. And I don't think there's anything wrong with a little exercise on the weekends.
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v339/245/51/744615359/n744615359_4008626_6145.jpg

Anyway, I appreciate it guys. Thanks again.
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had long hair all of my life. My hair is very well taken care of it is just long in the back.I am a man FYI and I have never had any real problems in Korea.

Students from time to time ask me if I am a girl. It is a little stupid, but deal with it. I often get compliments from parents and usually women. Men often criticize and say something about how Korean men have very short hair.

I say if you want a haircut, get a haircut. If you like having long hair, then keep it. If you find that you have problems getting a job, cut it and take another photo. Looking professional is important as long as your don't have dreadlocks and crazy wild hair, it won't be that big of a deal.

I actually think you will have more problems with a beard than long hair.

I have taught at every kind of institution in Korea and I have never had a problem. But I am not a new inexperienced teacher. I think because of my credentials I can get away with a little more.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
I have had long hair all of my life. My hair is very well taken care of it is just long in the back.I am a man FYI and I have never had any real problems in Korea.

Students from time to time ask me if I am a girl. It is a little stupid, but deal with it. I often get compliments from parents and usually women. Men often criticize and say something about how Korean men have very short hair.

I say if you want a haircut, get a haircut. If you like having long hair, then keep it. If you find that you have problems getting a job, cut it and take another photo. Looking professional is important as long as your don't have dreadlocks and crazy wild hair, it won't be that big of a deal.

I actually think you will have more problems with a beard than long hair.

I have taught at every kind of institution in Korea and I have never had a problem. But I am not a new inexperienced teacher. I think because of my credentials I can get away with a little more.


Dude, you have been here for ages, right in the comfort zone. This guy hasn't, and the last thing he needs is an employer who doubts his character. You know as well as I that first impressions make or break in Korea. Let the guy get off to a good start. He wants to leave the scruffy look behind but you don't; so what? Just stop projecting onto others. Goodness.
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revelation2221



Joined: 01 Aug 2009
Location: Gimhae, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is this about long hair being scruffy? I make a point to keep it very well groomed! Wink

Maybe once I'm there, if everything is working out really well, I'll start growing it again, but for now I think I'll get it cut short to maximise my chances. I don't want to miss out on a good opportunity because of something as small as hair. Even if I send out another picture with my hair short I might have already lost a good chance.

Any other men out there who have taught in Korea with long hair, or know of anyone who has?
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cruisemonkey



Joined: 04 Jul 2005
Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

revelation2221 wrote:
Any other men out there who have taught in Korea with long hair, or know of anyone who has?

Personally, I'm bald - so don't have dilemma re: hair.

However, a couple years ago I knew a guy with hair exactly like Sideshow Bob on The Simpsons. He was at a boy's technical high school in 'the boonies' (so it seems much of what one 'can get away with' depends on the desperation of the employer). Cool
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frankly speaking



Joined: 23 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that a clean cut appearance is better suited for teaching in Asia or any professional workforce anywhere in the world. However you still can look clean cut and have long hair.

Who said that I was scruffy. I am very professional in my appearance. I only have long hair in the back and it is well maintained. From the front you wouldn't even notice that I have long hair. Being judgemental saying that I don't want to leave behind a scruffy look. Is quite argumentative. Why engage in flaimbait while I was just offering a different perspective?

Short hair, clean shaven, professionally dressed makes a difference and does help get the foot in the door. However making a blanket statement that says he won't get a job is pretty narrow minded thinking and not accurate.

Beards are generally more criticized than long hair.

The main thing is to have a professional look in your photo and a gentle smile.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankly speaking wrote:
I agree that a clean cut appearance is better suited for teaching in Asia or any professional workforce anywhere in the world. However you still can look clean cut and have long hair.


Man, in Korea you would just look like a freak show.

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Who said that I was scruffy. I am very professional in my appearance. I only have long hair in the back and it is well maintained. From the front you wouldn't even notice that I have long hair. Being judgemental saying that I don't want to leave behind a scruffy look. Is quite argumentative. Why engage in flaimbait while I was just offering a different perspective?


Dude, YOU are engaging in flaimbait. I offered a newbie sound advice, and he went away happy> Why on earth do you feel the need to chime in?

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Short hair, clean shaven, professionally dressed makes a difference and does help get the foot in the door.


Welcome to the winning team.

Quote:
However making a blanket statement that says he won't get a job is pretty narrow minded thinking and not accurate.


I never said that. Now you are inventing things.

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Beards are generally more criticized than long hair.


So what is this? 'I could look scruffier so it's okay'. There is a right way to get off on the right foot in Korea, and that is to make sure they know he has made an effort not to humiliate them with his 'freaky waegook' look.

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The main thing is to have a professional look in your photo and a gentle smile


Hence the OP's stance; he took the scruffy comments on board and their implications in a formal Korean setting. Don't derail his efforts to improve his image - and his reception in Korea - simply because you like the scruff look.
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revelation2221



Joined: 01 Aug 2009
Location: Gimhae, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet, I started a flamewar, this is quite amusing.

Question, in regards to something mentioned by frankly speaking, what is this about a "gentle smile?"

Is there something culturally that I'm not aware of that would suggest a huge smile would be inappropriate for a picture in an application, or am I reading too much into this?

Thanks,
~OP
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Kwangjuchicken



Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Japanese occupation is over. Let's get back some traditional Korean Culture. Let not Kimchi be all that is left.

Crying or Very sad
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