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Olbermann takes blue dogs and Republicans to task
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thoreau



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:41 am    Post subject: Olbermann takes blue dogs and Republicans to task Reply with quote

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677#32277034 (video)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32276889/ns/msnbc_tv-countdown_with_keith_olbermann (text)
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crying or Very sad I also posted the same thing earlier. Confused
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thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
:cry: I also posted the same thing earlier. :?


Sorry. I actually looked over the titles of the recent posts and didn't notice your 'clever' thread title. I thought it was a reference to the old joke....
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great minds think alike. Anyway, it seems you and I are the only ones impressed by Olbermann's performance.
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RufusW



Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too, it was very good. Corporate capture of democracy means it simply doesn't follow what the electorate actually feels. America really needs campaign finance reform.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The U.S. needs to adopt "Best Practices". I can't remember which country, but a couple months ago I read about how they developed their national health care plan. They studied the BEST PRACTICES of other countries with such care and adopted them. Throw out what wasn't working and use the best.

Why can't the US do that? Because too many people are getting rich from insurance payments, like ex-TN Senator Frisk, and lobbyists, insurance, drug, and companies that are nothing but leeches. Doctors, nurses, hospital workers, techs, staff are well worth their salaries. Admin and bureaucrats too. But too much is siphoned off by middlemen and contractors that drives the prices up and the taxpayer/patient broke. Even auditors in Texas are contractors.

The VA is the best model in the U.S. (I use them, I know), yet even they contract out--I have my yearly mammograms done at my local hospital and they bill the VA. There is smart, efficient contracting, but when the Republicans push for 'small govt', all they really mean is farm the work out--and pay 2-3x more than having it done first hand, funneling off taxpayer money to guys like Frist, who own the system.

They know perfectly well that anytime money crosses palms, some rubs off. The rub off.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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America really needs campaign finance reform.


Amen.
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ubermenzch



Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An interesting commentary. I was happy to see him call out both Republicans and Democrats for the slavish attention they give to the corporate interests. This is beyond dispute. But I disagree with his warning to the blue-dogs that progressives and moderates are watching them and if they fail to pass the health care reform needed (public option) they will be voted out of office. That strikes me as an obvious bit of ideological posturing. The polls seem to indicate that a significant portion of the electorate, particularly independents (who are of no small import), actually approve of what the blue-dogs are doing, especially their slowing down of the legislative process.
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thoreau



Joined: 21 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Why can't the US do that? Because too many people are getting rich from insurance payments, like ex-TN Senator Frisk, and lobbyists, insurance, drug, and companies that are nothing but leeches. Doctors, nurses, hospital workers, techs, staff are well worth their salaries. Admin and bureaucrats too. But too much is siphoned off by middlemen and contractors that drives the prices up and the taxpayer/patient broke. Even auditors in Texas are contractors.

The VA is the best model in the U.S. (I use them, I know), yet even they contract out--I have my yearly mammograms done at my local hospital and they bill the VA. There is smart, efficient contracting, but when the Republicans push for 'small govt', all they really mean is farm the work out--and pay 2-3x more than having it done first hand, funneling off taxpayer money to guys like Frist, who own the system.


You are misinformed.

Generally speaking, insurance companies do not cover procedures that are not 'best practice' (they call it standard practice.)

Also, the VA is the worst model in the U.S. Only a short read of the literature shows the VA is a terrible system that subjects the guardians of our freedom to substandard care.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-03-21-va-review_N.htm


It is best if a gov't is not involved in PROVIDING care. However, they do a pretty good job of handling the payments for care. This is why Medicare is a good model for universal/single payer health care.
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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push for 'small govt', all they really mean is farm the work out--and pay 2-3x more than having it done first hand, funneling off taxpayer money to guys like Frist, who own the system.

well said
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