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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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My take is:
If you go to the University Career Center and ask them for help in finding a job, they should do everything they can.
Lets face it, its unrealistic to expect Universities to hook up thousands of fresh graduates with job interviews.
However, out of the thousands that graduate (my school is 30,000 students, so roughly 4,000 graduate every 6 months), only a handful actually go to the University Career Center for help.
I think the University has a responsibility to help those that actually come to them for help.
I remember at my University career center, I asked for help in getting internships before I graduated. All they did was go through my resume, and then had me sign up for an email list. Sure, they posted a couple internships. Too bad about a thousand other people got the same email.
The Career center next sat down with me and said, "Ok, tell me what you can do, and we'll see if we can find something for you." |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Why do we go to college? To get better jobs, than those who don't go to college. |
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| ...useless degrees. Art history. Creative writing. Philosophy. |
More like an anthill or a beehive than ever. So much for civilization and education. We run degree factories now, apparently.
Why not sweep away the social sciences, the humanities, and especially the arts entirely and replace them with technical schools, trades, and corporate-induction centers...? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Jobless? Sue your University! |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| I say more power to her. Why do we go to college? To get better jobs, than those who don't go to college. |
That's not why I went to college. I went to pursue my interest in biotechnology, which ended up being replaced with a passion for philosophy. Employment never had much to do with it.
Universities are places of learning. If you can take that learning and leverage it into better employment, that's a good thing, but I personally feel education has value even independent of a potential career. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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The plaintiff wrote the complaint by hand. Given her misspelling of "tuition" (tutision) on a document primarily about tuition, I'd reckon she's just not cut out for a professional job.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/08/03/thompson.pdf |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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The trial bar never ceases to amaze me. They'll soak any institution they can. At any rate, her counsel, a JD, should have proofread the document and the person who filed it, most likely a law clerk in law/grad school, should have proofread the document too. So it isn't just the state of colleges these days. Some post grad schools aren't doing much better, apparently.
"I also want to sue them for the stress I have been going through" Really? Good grief! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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All university and college grants and loan programs by the govt should be abolished. These programs are designed to enrich special interests (low quality profs who would otherwise have to work, college bureaucrats and officials, college sports programs, coaches, players, sponsors and vendors.) They lower the overall quality of education in America and help make the victims, the taxpayers and the unqualified students, poorer throughout their lives. |
Well if it weren't for grants and the Stafford loan program, I couldn't have afforded grad school, nor would have many of my classmates. I get your point, but you're going overboard here. There are plenty of very intelligent people who get into excellent schools and attend them thanks to those grants and loans. It comes down to being fiscally responsible and smart. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
All university and college grants and loan programs by the govt should be abolished. These programs are designed to enrich special interests (low quality profs who would otherwise have to work, college bureaucrats and officials, college sports programs, coaches, players, sponsors and vendors.) They lower the overall quality of education in America and help make the victims, the taxpayers and the unqualified students, poorer throughout their lives. |
Well if it weren't for grants and the Stafford loan program, I couldn't have afforded grad school, nor would have many of my classmates. I get your point, but you're going overboard here. There are plenty of very intelligent people who get into excellent schools and attend them thanks to those grants and loans. It comes down to being fiscally responsible and smart. |
Right. At some point students have to be responsible for their own decisions.
But what that point is, is the subject of the debate here. |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 12:28 am Post subject: |
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This idiot has waited all of 3 months to sue for failure to get a job, graduating in April of 2009. Has she heard of a little thing called the 'economy'? Perhaps 'patience'? Maybe 'perseverance' or 'hard work'?
What a crock. Stella Awards?
How typically American. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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How typically American. |
How is this typically American if the petitioner is (one of) the only of her kind? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 5:40 am Post subject: |
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More than once I've suggested that a poster on this site sue his/her college profs and admin for fraud. I stand by that.
When I taught high school I used to say to the kids, "If you think for yourself you will have some ideas that are different from your parents because you are not your parents. If you agree with them on every issue, you are not thinking, you are just repeating. All too often the 'wisdom' of the past is just velvet-covered chains...comfortable because you don't have to take the risk of assessing new situations and circumstances and making the best judgment you can." |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| When I taught high school I used to say to the kids, "If you think for yourself you will have some ideas that are different from your parents because you are not your parents. If you agree with them on every issue, you are not thinking, you are just repeating. All too often the 'wisdom' of the past is just velvet-covered chains...comfortable because you don't have to take the risk of assessing new situations and circumstances and making the best judgment you can." |
This is exactly the problem. The tired old mantras: "education is good for everyone" or "everyone should stay in school" or "to get a good job get a good education" ... are hackneyed, out of date, and in fact were never true. But people go on, without thinking, believing in these old worn out concepts.
The fact is, the cost of a university education has been inflated to more than twice the cost it would otherwise be if the government had stayed out of it. Because the brainless, unthinking masses bought into the lies that the politicians offered up as vote buying schemes to stay in office, because the followed the tired old ideas of the past, we have education that has been priced past any point of offering a good investment for most individuals. It is an education bubble.
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| Well if it weren't for grants and the Stafford loan program, I couldn't have afforded grad school, nor would have many of my classmates. I get your point, but you're going overboard here. There are plenty of very intelligent people who get into excellent schools and attend them thanks to those grants and loans. It comes down to being fiscally responsible and smart |
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If it weren't for grants and loans and the "free money" flowing into education, the cost of attending a university would be less than half of what it is today and you would have been able to save and work your way through and graduate debt free. When hundreds of thousands of students feel like they are spending other people's money and have no inkling about the financial consequences of the massive debt they are incurring, they will partake in this educational malinvestment, drive up the cost and reduce the educational ROI for everyone and create a negative ROI for themselves.
Just as the Federal Reserve has created a succession of economic bubbles that have resulted in the roller coaster of recessions and depressions, including the one we are in now, the federal govt has generated an education bubble that results in millions of barely literate degree holders working at or near minimum wage and driving down wages for all. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| Very silly. A permanent personal catastrophe. I hope this depression forces us to reassess our values and priorities. |
I kind of have sympathy for her.
Its exceptionally easy to waste an awful lot of money and time in further education...only to find that your qualification is not the ticket you thought, is not as widely recognized as you'd hoped, or is not as in demand by employers as made out to be. A lot of profiteering institutions are quite happy to keep the illusion going in what amounts to little more than a scam in some cases. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
| How typically American. |
How is this typically American if the petitioner is (one of) the only of her kind? |
Given his sermon's tone, I would say that it is typically American because she, like all typical Americans, fails to appreciate or even understand the economy, patience, perseverance, or hard work.
And speaking of annoying national traits. As I am spending this summer in western Europe, guess who are the only ones I see, and noticeably and persistently so, at every bloody tube/Metro station, coach station, train station, and airport with their national flags sown onto their backpacks...? |
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Sleepy in Seoul
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: Going in ever decreasing circles until I eventually disappear up my own fundament - in NZ
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| Sleepy in Seoul wrote: |
This idiot has waited all of 3 months to sue for failure to get a job, graduating in April of 2009. Has she heard of a little thing called the 'economy'? Perhaps 'patience'? Maybe 'perseverance' or 'hard work'?
What a crock. Stella Awards?
How typically American. |
How is this typically American if the petitioner is (one of) the only of her kind? |
Given his sermon's tone, I would say that it is typically American because she, like all typical Americans, fails to appreciate or even understand the economy, patience, perseverance, or hard work.
And speaking of annoying national traits. As I am spending this summer in western Europe, guess who are the only ones I see, and noticeably and persistently so, at every bloody tube/Metro station, coach station, train station, and airport with their national flags sown onto their backpacks...? |
If I came from a country started by a bunch of religious fanatics I would be hesitant to accuse others of sermonising, even incorrectly. But perhaps I should have been clearer with my writing.
I was saying that the cretinous woman mentioned in the OP seems to lack any understanding of the economy, patience, perseverance or hard work. However, the habit of suing at the drop of a hat (and even that has probably happened) in America is stereotypically American in attitude and seems to be indicative of a society in which it is encouraged to abandon any feelings of responsibility and blame everyone except oneself for problems, no matter who causes them. Damn it, I used big words again. Gopher's going to get the wrong end of the stick again
To answer your question Gopher, my guess would be that they are Americans pretending to be Canadians. |
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