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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:54 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, it is good you are learning Korean and I wish you the best. All I can say is that if you want to progress you have to practice as much as you can. Thats the only way the nervousness will subside. I became fluent in a couple of years because I practiced like a dog. It was frustrating but it paid off big time. My wife being Korean was a huge help there but I practiced more with friends and co-workers and when out and about shopping. It is hard work however. Good luck. |
I hate you. Not enough to start practicing like a dog - at least not yet - but nevertheless I hate you and wish you a painful death. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Privateer wrote: |
PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Anyway, it is good you are learning Korean and I wish you the best. All I can say is that if you want to progress you have to practice as much as you can. Thats the only way the nervousness will subside. I became fluent in a couple of years because I practiced like a dog. It was frustrating but it paid off big time. My wife being Korean was a huge help there but I practiced more with friends and co-workers and when out and about shopping. It is hard work however. Good luck. |
I hate you. Not enough to start practicing like a dog - at least not yet - but nevertheless I hate you and wish you a painful death. |
If I keep at it, at the pace I'm at, for two years, and am not at least somewhat fluent, I might give up on life entirely.... |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:48 am Post subject: |
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If I keep at it, at the pace I'm at, for two years, and am not at least somewhat fluent, I might give up on life entirely.... |
Well it takes longer for some people to learn a language. It depends on ability for languages, time to practice, time to study, reasons for learning and so on....
I know a person who lives in Japan. She has been there since 2004 and has been studying Japanese as much as possible since she arrived. She hit a ceiling at intermediate level and has had a rough time progressing further.
With Korean learners who are ESL Teachers in Korea the ceiling is often far lower because you can get by without Korean or do quite well with rudimentary Korean. That tends to sap the motivation of many of us who try to learn Korean. Thats where the reason to learn that language becomes key and that reason will determine if you make it past that ceiling or not.
Privateer,
Thanks for your good wishes
Finally fluency is about different things for different people. Do you intend to speak, read and write Korean fluently or perhaps only to read it and speak it?
That changes things greatly.
Anyway....best of luck with the studies and I have to say that it is an EXCELLENT thing your Korean class is given in Korean only. It is the only way to really learn. |
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I'm no Picasso
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Edit: PMed. |
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happy one
Joined: 05 Apr 2008
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:57 am Post subject: |
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Big Mac, i love your post, it made me laugh so much! That's exactly how i was feeling after 4 years in Korea, and exactly why i left! |
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catchshime
Joined: 25 Jun 2009 Location: "I am not born for one corner; the whole world is my native land."
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 4:36 am Post subject: |
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Any expats here learn an Asian language aside from Korean? I have heard that Korean is the easiest to learn for a Westerner in comparison to Mandarin/Japanese. |
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bixlerscott

Joined: 27 Sep 2006 Location: Near Wonju, South Korea
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:40 am Post subject: |
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OP, leaving everything to the last minute pokes a nerve in me.
Me: You mean you want me to move out in the morning during my vacation? But I'm on the other side of Korea.
Them: Because your apartment lease has been up for 2 weeks and new tenets are moving in tomorrow. If you don't answer door, we'll drill lock, enter, and move you out as new tenets move in.
Me: What? Can't we wait until next Monday when I'll be back? You could had given me more notice as I'm not ready and I need just 2 more weeks until it's time for me to leave. Can't you keep the apartment until the end of the month until I leave?
Them: (laughing) No, we must move you out now as to let new tenets move in.
Me: Since this terminates my vacation 4 days early, can I just take next week off in lieu of this trouble?
Them: I'll ask our boss.
Me: Shouldn't be no problem as it won't cost you a thing and there's no classes anyhow.
Them: Yea yea, OK, call you 1st thing in the morning.
Me: "I'm thinking I'm feeling angry and tired of this last minute business as this could had and should had been taken care of 2 weeks ago."
How many of you have had this fast one pulled on you? Will you ever get used to last minute changes? No one does in my opinion. I only hope they don't decide not to pay me at the last minute!!!
This last minute crud has to be the #1 thing no one will ever get used to, but yet never stops. You just never know if you're moving in less than 12 hours. Heck, my K friends vacation was all, but canceled on the very 1st day via cell phone with nothing in lieu of the cancellation and his being inconvenienced by his plans being canceled not to mention how his friends traveled 8 hours to see him only to see him in a troubled state. |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:56 am Post subject: |
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There was a comment made above, which has oft been repeated here in some form or another, that Korean people refuse to sit next to you on a bus/train/subway etc.
I find this absolutely baffling. I've lived here for over 5 years in both the countryside and in Seoul and I've never had this experience. Quite often I find myself hoping that a Korean person WON'T sit next to me simply because I like the space, but my hopes are rarely fulfilled. Just today, and this is not by any means rare, I was on a bus where perhaps half the seats were empty. A young lady got on the bus, looked around, and decided to sit next to me rather than next to the middle aged Korean men and women who also happened to be sitting on their own in a two seat block. This was not a strange day, this was a normal day.
I can't understand why this isn't a normal day for many other posters here. I suspect it might simply be that some people are fairly large and perhaps overlap onto other seats, and thus are not nice to sit next to due to the consequental lack of space. I am regular height and reasonably slim so I'm not scary in the manner of size. I've also met a lot of ESL teachers who are unshaven and clad in somewhat 'casual' (read: unattractive or homeless-like) clothing and so are also somewhat scary to sit next to; I'd understand not wanting to sit next to them since they probably look like they would smell bad too. Perhaps some people have a death-stare on them to scare off English-vampires and thus also put people off.
This phenomenon of Koreans not sitting next to Westerners is one I've only seen on this board, and very occasionaly heard from BIG people. It's so bizarre I really want to experience it. I've had all kinds of other negative experiences, but this isn't one of them. Koreans show no disinclination to sit next to me and I don't get why they (supposedly?) do to other whities. If I had to guess I'd say it's a matter of appearances, and I don't mean skin colour. |
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allovertheplace
Joined: 02 Aug 2009
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Big Mac, well said.
I think the most obnoxious thing is going to Homeplus on a sunday. Me and my white friend like our Big macs but we will literally have a line up of people watching us eat. I think the next time this happens all foreigners should proceed to smash their sandwich on the table and snort it in their nostril. Let the animals take over the zoo.  |
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CA-NA-DA-ABC

Joined: 20 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Julius wrote: |
I find it hard to get used to Koreans refusing to sit next to me.
Today some little boy aged about 7 was screaming because his mother mde him sit next to me on the subway. She kept reassuring him its just a person". Actually I had a laugh about it because it was so ridiculous.
Later however in the PC bang some ajosshi was making a fuss with the management about sitting next to me. I got up and told him to just sit down and stop being stupid. In banmal terms. The management laughed at him and he looked all embarrassed and walked off. |
Haha. Excellent job. Would have loved to see the expression on his face. |
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okayden223
Joined: 05 Jun 2009 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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I'm gonna risk deletion and say....consistently being quite proud of myself while walking around the jim-jil-bang naked!  |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009 Location: Korea sparkling
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Arirang news is bothering me. It's nothing but praise for Korea, I want to see a balanced news about Korea in English for once.
Additionally, the half-korean half-white Arirang poster girl is pretty annoying. When I listen to her talk or try acting I feel like wanting to choke her. |
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okayden223
Joined: 05 Jun 2009 Location: Incheon
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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Allovertheplace I know exactly how you feel. There's this amazing mandu place near the Olympic Stadium and my buddy and I were sitting in a doorway eating next to the place and literally a dozen or more people walked by and pointed and said something to whoever they were with. People are amazed that I can both use chopsticks and ingest Korean food willingly. It's really amusing sometimes. |
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