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asams
Joined: 17 Nov 2008
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 Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:08 am Post subject: Let's hope this scumbag goes away for a long time... |
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http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/NEWKHSITE/data/html_dir/2009/08/12/200908120013.asp
This is probably the part that infuriates me the most:
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| "Blood money" refers to "hapuigeum" -- monetary compensation paid by the offender to the victim of a crime to eliminate the application of other punishment. It is a common practice in Korea and is often brokered by the police. |
The article says that Ms. Brouard didn't take blood money but instead fundraised to acquire the funds to return to South Africa. I understand, and respect her for refusing to take the money, because no amount of money can undo such a heinous crime. My thing is that Koreans, especially those in charge, should see this and realize there is something wrong when I can pay someone to get out of being punished. In America a case like this would result in criminal and civil proceedings, where the victim would most likely be rewarded a nice sum for the suffering (physical and emotional) and the medical expenses. I realize there are problems with the American judicial systems, and plenty of cases are settled outside of court, but it is complete BS that the police actually broker these types of arrangements.
Forgot to mention that the maximum punishment for a 1st time offender is 2 years. The article says the maximum for this guy is 4 years due to aggravating circumstances (the use of restraints). Doesn't this seem a little lenient? |
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iammac2002
Joined: 12 Jun 2009
Location: 'n Beter plek.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:25 am Post subject: |
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Hello ASams, was wondering if you had left the country!  |
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asams
Joined: 17 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| iammac2002 wrote: |
| Hello ASams, was wondering if you had left the country! |
I did just get back from the Philippines. Why else would I leave the country? |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: |
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The article actually says that the maximum for a rapist with no prior criminal record is 4 years, but that 2 years is average for a first time offender. He will likely get four b/c he handcuffed her. This is so effed up. 4 years for a pre-meditated rape! Bloody hell, opportunistic rape is bad enough.
I remember reading the thread on this a few weeks ago. I seem to remember it saying the the things that the article said were misreported. Does anyone have the sources of these false quotes? It's pretty serious. If it was the Korean media, I'm wondering what the motive was. Even if it was a foreigner's blog, it's pretty extreme to just invent quotes. Where did they come from? You'd have to be a pretty big Korea hater to screw with a story so much. |
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benji
Joined: 21 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:37 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if a foreigner went around raping Korean women would the police just allow him to pay blood money in lieu of prosection (assuming the victims agreed). |
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iammac2002
Joined: 12 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| asams wrote: |
| iammac2002 wrote: |
| Hello ASams, was wondering if you had left the country! |
I did just get back from the Philippines. Why else would I leave the country? |
Yeah, seems like we all got back just in time not to be caught in the floods! |
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Smee
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Location: Jeollanam-do
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| Ruthdes wrote: |
The article actually says that the maximum for a rapist with no prior criminal record is 4 years, but that 2 years is average for a first time offender. He will likely get four b/c he handcuffed her. This is so effed up. 4 years for a pre-meditated rape! Bloody hell, opportunistic rape is bad enough.
I remember reading the thread on this a few weeks ago. I seem to remember it saying the the things that the article said were misreported. Does anyone have the sources of these false quotes? It's pretty serious. If it was the Korean media, I'm wondering what the motive was. Even if it was a foreigner's blog, it's pretty extreme to just invent quotes. Where did they come from? You'd have to be a pretty big Korea hater to screw with a story so much. |
It was a Newsis story that first ran in the Chosun Ilbo:
http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2009/07/22/2009072201418.html
Translated and introduced to the English-teaching community by Korea
Beat.
http://koreabeat.com/?p=10189 |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| I think rather than sending people off to prison they might learn something by being raped themselves? |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| I think rather than sending people off to prison they might learn something by being raped themselves? |
I think castration or a bullet to the head would be lesson enough. Either way, they won't be doing it again.
In case you're wondering what Koreans think of this, the posts under the article express pretty much the same emotions we feel. They're particularly concerned about how this will make Korea look to the rest of the world. |
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Tundra_Creature
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:18 am Post subject: |
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That's really terrible, but I was at least happy to hear that the officers responded quickly to the incident. As for the courts, well, I've never studied law, but that certainly seems lenient.
Mind you, I've never found the courts in Canada to be all that hard on criminals either. :/
Either way, I hope that the victim will be alright and gets all the love and support that she needs. |
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Ruthdes
Joined: 16 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the links Smee, but this still doesn't make sense to me.
Ok, so the Chosun Ilbo is one of the main newspapers in Korea right? Wikipedia says that Chosun.com is the most popular online news site in Korea. So who made up these quotes? What is the motive?
Here are the options:
*The reporter made them up. But why? If it was true, it really casts Korea in a bad light. And it seems to be the opposite of what really happened (assuming that the Korea Herald story is a true and accurate account of what really happened to Brouard when she reported the rape).
*The reporter quoted someone who said they were quoting Brouard (lazy reporting, but that wouldn't surprise me here), or pretended to be Brouard. Maybe a foreigner with an axe to grind, wanting to expose the blood money system. Still, using someone else's dreadful experience is a pretty low way to make a point.
*Brouard did make them, then denied it. Now, I am NOT accusing her of doing this, I'm just trying to cover all possibilities. I can't see a reason as to why she would do this. It obviously doesn't match with the account she gave to the KH. I guess maybe it could've happened, then she was in some way threatened or made to change her story - maybe to get the case resolved. But this is all sounding quite conspiracy theory-like.
Anyway. Have I missed any possibilities? None of them seem to make much sense. It just seems to me that anyone with a vested interest in making Korea look good wouldn't make up those quotes, but that there's little motive for a foreigner to do it either. Who does it benefit? It sucks that not only did she have to suffer such a traumatic event, which led to her leaving her job and the country, but that now she's dealing with what looks like dodgy reporting. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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^ Rumour has it that Korean journalists are habitually given to misrepresenting people's words or will even outright make things up when they don't have time to show up and actually interview someone.
Kind of like what I just did here, only I'm not writing for a newspaper.
4 years does seem light, but then rape sentences always seem light to me. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| I think rather than sending people off to prison they might learn something by being raped themselves? |
I think castration or a bullet to the head would be lesson enough. Either way, they won't be doing it again.
In case you're wondering what Koreans think of this, the posts under the article express pretty much the same emotions we feel. They're particularly concerned about how this will make Korea look to the rest of the world. |
This is what I find most disturbing about this most recent article and the views of Koreans. They seem to not care for their own rights and want to change the system of paying a bribe to avoid serving the penalty for a crime, or giving a more severe sentence to a rapist.. but are only concerned about the issue because it may bring a negative image to Korea!!! |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| They seem to not care for their own rights and want to change the system of paying a bribe to avoid serving the penalty for a crime, or giving a more severe sentence to a rapist.. but are only concerned about the issue because it may bring a negative image to Korea!!! |
The idea of justice seems to be all about money in Korea.
Until they create a system based on inviolable laws that can't be creatively interpreted by individual police officers and judges, and eliminate the superiority of cash payments over sentences, things aren't going to improve much. |
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asmith
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Here's a question. How many Korean women have been raped in America? How many Korean women have been raped in Europe? How many Korean women have been raped in Canada?
I'm not an apologist; I'm American. If a Korean woman got raped in America, it wouldn't even hit the papers. That's how crazy the crime of rape in my country is. Women get raped everyday.
Here, it actually makes news. You will always get sick sexual perverts. But the percentage of sick sexual perverts seems less than the other develped nations.
I'm not an apologist. And I truly do feel for the victim. But this is one of the safest societies in the world.
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