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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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 Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: YET ANOTHER CLASSY MOVE BY OUR DEAR PRESIDENT |
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Two days ago, President Obama took the high road and publicly criticized Nancy Pelosi for labeling the townhall attendees "un-American," taking a cue from the Far Right under Bush, who applied the same label to those critical of the war in Iraq.
But I guess he tired of the rarified air on the high road because today he was back in "rare form," lambasting those diabolical planners of townhall protest. He even had his smarmy press secretary, Robert Gibbs, yet again accusing the cable news channels (code for Fox News) of inciting "the folks." Seems our dear leader Hussein just can't keep his mind off the one TV network that has the temerity to question his legislative agenda on the Hill.
Here's the link from Politico to the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/26014
Gee, Mr. President, I watched the ENTIRE townhall meeting that Senator Turncoat Spector held in Lebanon, Pennsylvannia yesterday and out of 30 attendees who asked questions, only one was really rude and only one other even got his dander up. The vast majority of the questioners were civil, many making a point of saying that no one goaded them into attending. Most were also quite articulate, sometimes stumping the Senator and getting him to admit he needed to "think on it." Of course, he didn't usually allow followups and his answers were often short if not curt, but at least he made a go of it.
And guess what: about one third of those asking questions prefaced them by thanking the senior Senator for holding the meeting. Three who spoke identified themselves as Democrats, although only one of them actually asked a question.
Watch for our fearless leader to get mighty touchy if the legislation is delayed beyond the Xmas recess. While some on the Left want to make this health care debate about the color of his skin, it's really about the THICKNESS of his skin.
And then we've got that old liberal standby, Dan Rather, who lost his anchor job on CBS News, imploring Obama to call for a commission on fairness in journalistic reporting. How rich is that? Where was Dan before Fox News to decry the trend in broadcast journalism toward news analysis (re: advocacy)?
Meanwhile, Fox News keep knocking out the opposition in the weekly ratings and Obama's favorable ratings keep sliding.
Do you think he'll come around to accepting the fact that the majority of Americans don't want what he's selling?
And, if he doesn't give any credence to those with reservations about some clauses in the proposed bill, will Hussein then encourage Pelosi and Reid to ram the legislation through Congress?
My guess is that if he alienates independents who voted for him or didn't vote in the last election, he might very well also alienate Blue Dog Democrats. And if that happens, the only thing being rammed will be the dunce cap onto Pelosi's head. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil, who has handed over trillions of tax dollars to international banks, is calling American citizens protesting against the open corruption "un-American". I really can't imagine anything much more ironic than that. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil |
He was born on US soil, though. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil |
He was born on US soil, though. |
Yeah, because the government would never lie about such a thing 
Anyway, I have no evidence either way. Still, the idea of Obama (whom I pretty much consider a traitor by now) calling American patriots protesting against open government corruption "un-American" gets my blood up. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 1:57 am Post subject: Re: YET ANOTHER CLASSY MOVE BY OUR DEAR PRESIDENT |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
| Do you think he'll come around to accepting the fact that the majority of Americans don't want what he's selling? |
The majority of Americans don't have any idea what he's selling. They're against it not because of it's contents, but because the Insurance Industry, its Conservative lapdogs, and unfortunately even its Liberal hirelings are working very hard to scare them into rejecting any sort of reform at all.
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| He even had his smarmy press secretary, Robert Gibbs, yet again accusing the cable news channels (code for Fox News) of inciting "the folks." |
Fox News is inciting people. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil |
He was born on US soil, though. |
Yeah, because the government would never lie about such a thing
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Fine, don't take the gov't's word for it. Why not independent verification from Hawaiian newspapers? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil |
He was born on US soil, though. |
Yeah, because the government would never lie about such a thing
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Fine, don't take the gov't's word for it. Why not independent verification from Hawaiian newspapers? |
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt since I can't disprove anything (though I imagine such a document would be easy to issue after the fact, and wouldn't appear to be a forgery since it's issued by the gov't).
Anyway, Obama can hardly be called a prototypical "all American". Both his parents spent most of their time abroad during his childhood (as did he for some of that time), his father's side of the family are all Kenyan, and his step father Indonesian. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, Obama can hardly be called a prototypical "all American". Both his parents spent most of their time abroad during his childhood (as did he for some of that time), his father's side of the family are all Kenyan, and his step father Indonesian. |
I don't think he's ever claimed to be all-American, in the sense of coming from a completely American family and spending his entire childhood in the US. But neither do I think that that is a useful definition of American. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:30 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway, Obama can hardly be called a prototypical "all American". Both his parents spent most of their time abroad during his childhood (as did he for some of that time), his father's side of the family are all Kenyan, and his step father Indonesian. |
I don't think he's ever claimed to be all-American, in the sense of coming from a completely American family and spending his entire childhood in the US. But neither do I think that that is a useful definition of American. |
Perhaps not, and normally I wouldn't hold it against someone, but with BO it makes me question his dubious loyalty even further. Not that it really makes much difference if he's an all-American traitor (like Bush) or a phony working for the international banks. It sucks either way. Just in this case, I find his labelling American protesters 'un-American' to be especially hypocritical. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:32 am Post subject: |
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Does it strike any of you as odd that Fox News needs to regularly post on this forum...in fact I wouldn't even call it posting, more like advertising. Slick layout, no spelling mistakes, cut-and-paste as fast as the hand allows, all caps for the title, almost as though the thread author picked that up in a seminar somewhere....and always about the "bad" points of Barack Obama.
I mean, I have issues with the guy too, but he's got his good points and bad points. That's reality...all human beings have their good points and bad points. Itsn't it a basic truism that if you always take one slant on some issue in the news, it eventually undermines your reader credibility? |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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Update: Bill Burton, deputy press secretary, who is even smarmier than Robert Gibbs, his immediate boss, tonight described the protesters as those carrying Nazi placards, etc. to Megan Kelly, co-anchor of Fox News Morning. Instead of backing away from Pelosi's outrageous claim, he dug a new, lower road and essentialized the entire voice of dissent on the hot button issue of health care.
No link on that yet. But lest you doubt me about his being smarmy, consider this lovely smartass backpedaling response to Bill Hemmer's probe about the Obama's campaign's TV ad concerning McCain's supposed lack of computer skills. Burton has no idea that McCain is unable to use a keypad because of his POW injuries and doesn't even have the decency to apologize. Sound familiar? Watch here but get a barf bag first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpXscYuMEHk
This is the A-team at the White House that we're supposed to believe is being sincere when they label all opposition to the healthcare bill as histrionic, misguided, and/or fascist?
Manner of Speaking imagined:
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| Does it strike any of you as odd that Fox News needs to regularly post on this forum...in fact I wouldn't even call it posting, more like advertising. Slick layout, no spelling mistakes, cut-and-paste as fast as the hand allows, all caps for the title, almost as though the thread author picked that up in a seminar somewhere....and always about the "bad" points of Barack Obama. |
What? Can't even address my questions so you resort to insinuation. Nice. Yes, I'm a paid sock for Fox News. I cannot tell a lie. How clever of you. I guess it would never occur to you that someone who isn't a leftist can write well and would take the time to present posts in a highly readable format, huh?
Anecdote for all:
Reminds me of the two lawyers my wife and I were sitting across from in this fancy old restaurant in downtown San Francisco last December while we were on vacation. They were boasting about being invited to the inauguration because they were higher-ups in the Obama campaign. The White woman, in her 60s, is originally from Minneapolis and her dinner date, a Black man, is from Oakland. Now I have nothing against interracial dating being married to an Asian myself but mention race because the woman could not comprehend my statement, "It must have been a special moment for Black Americans." (Her Black dinner guest smiles slightly, knowingly). She reproaches me, "You mean it was a special moment for ALL Americans." Without hesitating and sensing where she was going (West Coast liberals are so predictable), I replied, "Yes, of course, but that's not what I meant. I mean, it must have been an especially poignant moment for Black Americans." (Again her dinner guest smiled but she was clueless). She then snapped, "Where are you from?" "You mean, where's my hometown?" "Yes." "I was born in Madison, Wisconsin. My father's side is from Minnesota." "Oh, that figures." "What, Madison isn't liberal enough for you?" (Madison is often referred to as the Berkeley of the Midwest). She hesitated and then begrudgingly replied. "Oh, I suppose so." "Glad it meets with your approval. I guess you've given up on your Midwestern roots." More inquisition followed: "So, did you vote for Obama?" "As a matter of fact, no I didn't, but I gave it some serious thought." "Oh, so you voted for McCain." "Uh, no, I didn't vote at all. I didn't like McCain's stand on the border issue and Obama's on some other issues (I decided not to say affirmative action and abortion-on-demand, lest I provoke her wrath). "But I almost did after I read that Powell was endorsing him." Her dinner guest cut in, "What is it with you conservatives and Colin Powell, can you tell me?" (Ignoring his assumption that I was a conservative, I replied): "I respect Powell. If he had been the nominee in 1996, I would have voted for him. I trust him. He puts his country first and even when I disagree with him I know he's sincere in his beliefs. He shoots straight." That seemed to satisfy him and he nodded with his chin in his hands. "Well, I think Powell is a yes-man for the GOP. Clearly you can't see that." Her tone was getting to me and I snapped, "Ma'am, I don't appreciate being talked down to. You're an attorney but I'm a professor, even though I might not look like the quiche crowd you're accustomed to." Her dinner guest smirked slightly and I sensed he had come up the hard way, like me, in the school of hard knocks. She excused herself to the restroom and as my wife and I stood up to leave, he did too and shook my hand. "Have a good day." "You too, sir," I said, seeing that he was older than me and looked distinguished besides. "Let's hope Obama can bring everyone together." "A-men, to that," he replied with a broad smile. "I hear ya."
Now while I don't for a moment regret shaking that man's hand, I am really starting to wonder why I was so hopeful....
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jaykimf
Joined: 24 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil, who has handed over trillions of tax dollars to international banks, is calling American citizens protesting against the open corruption "un-American". I really can't imagine anything much more ironic than that. |
Where did Obama call the protesters un-american? What's your source? The OP just claimed that Obama criticized Pelosi for calling them un- american . Actually she criticized them not for protesting, but for deliberately disrupting the meetings to prevent any debate on the issue. Whether Pelosi is right or wrong, where did Obama call them un-american? |
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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
Location: bundang, south korea
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil, who has handed over trillions of tax dollars to international banks, is calling American citizens protesting against the open corruption "un-American". I really can't imagine anything much more ironic than that. |
Where did Obama call the protesters un-american? What's your source? The OP just claimed that Obama criticized Pelosi for calling them un- american . Actually she criticized them not for protesting, but for deliberately disrupting the meetings to prevent any debate on the issue. Whether Pelosi is right or wrong, where did Obama call them un-american? |
He did no such thing. More and more it becomes obvious to me that visitorq is not a poster to be taken seriously. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:28 am Post subject: |
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| jaykimf wrote: |
| visitorq wrote: |
| Yes, Barrack Hussein Obama, the guy who may or may not have been born on US soil, who has handed over trillions of tax dollars to international banks, is calling American citizens protesting against the open corruption "un-American". I really can't imagine anything much more ironic than that. |
Where did Obama call the protesters un-american? What's your source? The OP just claimed that Obama criticized Pelosi for calling them un- american . Actually she criticized them not for protesting, but for deliberately disrupting the meetings to prevent any debate on the issue. Whether Pelosi is right or wrong, where did Obama call them un-american? |
There's nothing in the link he posted mentioning Pelosi. The article talks about Obama and Democratic leadership criticising the town hall protesters. I thought I was just going on the info given in the article...
"The shift in focus and rhetoric comes as the health care debate has heated up, with Republicans and Democrats scrambling to dictate the narrative in a campaign style back and forth of competing ads, press releases and tweets. Democratic leadership labeled the sometimes raucous tactics of health care opponents as �un-American� and the White House dusted off an election tactic, unveiling a website to dispel misinformation about health care reform, and firing up grass-roots organizers who were the backbone of the campaign. " (from his link)
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| He did no such thing. More and more it becomes obvious to me that visitorq is not a poster to be taken seriously. |
Well let me just say you're not a poster that I take seriously either (your opinion means nothing to me)... so right back at you. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Man in the Middle bristled:
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| What? Can't even address my questions so you resort to insinuation. Nice. Yes, I'm a paid sock for Fox News. I cannot tell a lie. How clever of you. I guess it would never occur to you that someone who isn't a leftist can write well and would take the time to present posts in a highly readable format, huh? |
That's because your questions amount to going to a cafeteria that only serves potato salad, every day every meal, and demanding "why aren't you eating my potato salad?" if someone ventures to comment that the menu is a little monotonous.
I mean, I'll be happy to admit that your potato salad is extremely well-made, if you want me to, sure! You've put a lot of effort into getting all your ingredients just right, selecting the right potatoes, just the right amount of salt and mayo, no question there at all.
It's just that it's always potato salad. ** shrug ** |
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