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White cop smacks down 87yr-old black woman
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Kimbop wrote:
A better question would be: if the old lady were white, would bacasper have posted this?


Probably. Wasn't he the one who posted the article about the old white woman getting tasered for refusing to comply with police commands?

That's right.

Please pay no mind to the disagreeable delusional.
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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManintheMiddle wrote:
bacasper:

Please tell me (or rather convince me) that you're not a sock (albeit odorless) of EFL Trainer. The sheer number of posts you make and threads you launch, not to mention stance you take, makes me inclined to think so. Then again, you seem to have a sense of humor and decorum, Mr. Zappa, that BLT lacked. Wink

EFL Trainer's sock was Keane, but I just barely remember the guy.

I have been accused of being your sock, believe it or not! Laughing

You cannot convince me that you are not Steve McGarrett's sock.

But thanks for confirming that the foot powder is working. Wink
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ELGORDO



Joined: 12 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Man bites Dog story.

Here's another. Black cop lied about white woman in arrest report. I do agree she was stupid for going to Camden.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20090808_Jury_say_woman_s_disorderly-conduct_arrest_unwarranted.html

Jury say woman's disorderly-conduct arrest unwarranted
By Barbara Boyer

Inquirer Staff Writer

A Bucks County woman who had been robbed and left bleeding outside the Tweeter Center in Camden just didn't behave well as a crime victim, or so police thought.

Camden Detective Maurice Gibson, who alleges that Kimberly Halpin made racial slurs in describing her assailants, decided that she should be handcuffed, arrested, and jailed.

Their he-said, she-said trial landed before U.S. District Judge Renee Bumb this week. And a jury of five women and three men unanimously decided yesterday that the detective fabricated information to justify the June 19, 2004, arrest.

Halpin, 29, who is white and now works as a substance and alcohol abuse counselor, sued Camden police for false arrest after she was charged with disorderly conduct while trying to report that she had been mugged as she left an all-day music festival at the Tweeter Center.

Gibson, who is African American and has been a police officer for 16 years, said he tried to take Halpin's report, but she cried too much, was irate, cursed, and then twice used the "N-word" in describing the two assailants who took her backpack, purse, car keys, money, and cell phone.

The slur, which Halpin insists she never said, is why Halpin was locked up, Gibson testified.

Two officers in a cruiser helped her search the area for suspects, but there was no sign of anyone with her possessions.

Around midnight, the officers took Halpin to the police station on Federal Street, and told her to go inside and file a report.

Chaos ensued.

She could find no officers on the first floor as she wandered before taking the elevator to the second floor, she testified. There, she found a window, but still no police.

She pushed the buzzer, waited, buzzed, waited, and kept buzzing about every 15 seconds, she testified. She was scared and began to hyperventilate, she said, before an agitated Gibson came to the window and demanded to know her problem.

Both Gibson and Halpin testified that as she cried, she had a hard time getting her words out. He repeatedly told her to calm down and walked away when she could not. She pushed the buzzer again.

Who had robbed her, and exactly where at the Tweeter Center, and what did they look like? he wanted to know. She could not describe them, and that's where their stories part.

Halpin, her knee bleeding, said she told the detective she was hurt and wanted to use a phone, and asked if he could help her.

Gibson, frustrated with Halpin, said she couldn't articulate what happened and twice said she was knocked down by two people, using a racial slur to describe them.

Gibson said he then locked her up, fearing her words might incite others who had come to the station. Halpin, who was then a criminal justice major, said the detective locked her up because she was emotional, and accused her of making racial slurs only after she threatened to sue. At one point, she passed out in the cell, overwhelmed with emotion, she testified.

In instructing the jury before deliberation, Bumb told it that under the law, cursing or uttering racial slurs alone is not justification for a disorderly-conduct arrest. The officer had to believe that the words could lead to a disturbance to justify the arrest, the judge said.

In a questionnaire, the jury members said they believed Halpin used foul language and yelled during her interaction with Gibson, but they did not believe she made racial remarks or had been flailing her arms, as Gibson testified.

The jury decided that there was no basis for arrest and that Gibson acted maliciously. In awarding damages, however, the jury gave only $1 in compensation and $100 in punitive damages. Her attorney told the jury that Halpin was not seeking compensation. More important to her was to recognize that she was falsely arrested.




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Contact staff writer Barbara Boyer at 856-779-3838 or [email protected].
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sqrlnutz123



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe it wasn't excessive or brutal force for a 20 year old, but an 80 year old woman?! Maybe you don't know any 80 year olds but they are slow, uncoordinated and fragile! Did you see her head bleeding on the sidewalk? That police woman was behind her and in no danger of being stabbed. I really don't think it had anything to do with race though, I think it had to do with lack of judgment on the police woman's part.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbop wrote:
The female cop overreacted. She should have been docile with grandma. What I deduce from this episode is that ALL white policemen are racist, and react with brute force when faced with potential felons who happen to be black! I also deduce that bacasper is a freedom fighter who vouches for the poor, innocent, faultless democrat base, and he deserves our support! Praise be to bacasper for bringing to light this foolish police officer who represents ALL white cops! This ploicewoman is obviously racist and hates black people, otherwise why would she have reacted so violently?

A better question would be: if the old lady were white, would bacasper have posted this?

Kimbop: Please tell us all why you are so angry.
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Kimbop



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please dispell with the ad hominem. This thread is about you, not me. The real questions are: 1) what is bacasper's motive behind his very selective journalism? 2) what is bacasper trying to deduce from the actions of one foolish policewoman?

If your goal is consensus (this policewoman acted foolishly), then congratulations captain obvious. I am with you. However methinks you are supporting a more exacting claim of universal police violence and racism, although you have yet to come out and say so in this thread.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbop wrote:
Please dispell with the ad hominem. This thread is about you, not me.


Isn't it actually about allegations of excessive police force with overtones of potential racial motivation?
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kimbop, there is a message for you on the Official Bashing Thread.
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Kimbop



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
Kimbop wrote:
Please dispell with the ad hominem. This thread is about you, not me.


Isn't it actually about allegations of excessive police force with overtones of potential racial motivation?


But where did bacasper mention "potential racial motivation" aside from his presumptive thread title? He is now running away from a debate. bacasper's sole motive was NOT to bring to light one instance of police brutality; his thread title supports his thesis that race was a factor, but of course gives no evidence of how or why. I'm calling him on it.

So tell us Bacasper, is the policewoman a racist? Did color of skin have anything to do with this confrontation? If you think so, tell us why. Could it be because you believe that the police are intrinsically racist? I'm just asking. If not, perhaps a more appropriate title would have been:

Female cop smacks down 87yr-old Woman

or;

Young cop smacks down 87yr-old knife wielder

or:

Violent cop smacks down harmless 87yr-old

By bringing race into the equation (rather than sex, age, or religion), what are you driving at? Again, I question your spin and selective journalism: are you implying that race was a factor in this story? If so, have the cojones to come out and say it, and be done with it.

Or simply hurl some insults at me.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. There is no white-on-black police brutality in America. I guess I was thrown off by cases like these:

May 29, 2009. Police officer Joseph R. Rios III beat up the African-American Ronnie Holloway in Passaic, New Jersey, United States of America, with his fist and a baton, which was recorded by a surveillance camera. Rios was put on administrative duty.

November 21, 2006. Kathryn Johnston, an 92-year-old Atlanta woman, was shot 6 times and killed by police officers who had entered her home with a fraudulently-obtained no knock warrant for a supposed drug grow-op after she had fired back in self-defense. Two of the three officers involved would eventually plead guilty to a number of charges including manslaughter.

February 4, 2006. Jessie Lee Williams Jr. died of brain trauma after being beaten by jailer Ryan Teel during booking at Harrison County, Mississippi jail. Teel was later found "guilty of conspiring to deprive inmates' rights, using unnecessary, excessive force in Williams' fatal beating, and obstructing justice by writing a false report." In the civil lawsuit which ensued, the Williams estate obtained a settlement of $3.5 million from Harrison County.

February 4, 1999. Amadou Diallo was shot and killed by New York City police officers while unarmed after the officers claimed they believed he was reaching for a gun. Four officers were indicted for second degree murder but later acquitted.

August 1997. Abner Louima was sexually abused by New York City police officers. A number of officers were convicted in the case. (That was the one where the officer shoved the toilet plunger up his rectum forcing him to undergo two surgeries, but I digress.)

There are many, many more.

Rolling Eyes

I have no idea what was in the head of the officer in this case, nor did I claim to. The FACTS are that she is white and the civilian she threw to the ground and broke her head black. Draw your own conclusion, and stop imputing to me things I do not state.
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seonsengnimble



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a huge fan of all cops, and there are plenty of cases of racist, excessively forceful arrests, but this is not another Rodney King.

This doesn't appear to be a case of racism. This just looks like a police officer is using tactics for a similar situation with a younger suspect. She should have been more gentle, and there probably could have been a better way to handle the situation, but this didn't seem very malicious to me.

The woman had a knife, looked unstable and was motioning towards the officer. The officer grabbed her by the arm and took her down. There were no nightsticks, no guns, and there wasn't any violent action after the old woman was disarmed.

Even the disarming wasn't that violent. The elderly woman's wrist was twisted, and she was forced to the ground. In this incident, the woman who was taken down was quite old and uncoordinated and didn't do anything to limit the impact of the fall, but for most people, a takedown like that wouldn't cause any harm.

Once again, the tactics were not the best for the situation. With a fragile, senile woman, you should be a bit more careful. However, I'm pretty doubtful that there is a police course on how to disarm an 84 year old female alzheimer patient.
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Carla



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had to deal with elderly Alzheimer's patients before.

There are several reasons that the cop should have done what she done, the two main ones being, she could hurt herself or hurt someone else. The cop used a trained move of disarmment. If you watch the video, even after the woman is on the ground, she doesn't not drop the knife for a few minutes.

The woman is covered in blood, who is to say she didn't already hurt someone. The cops did not no this.

The cops did no a woman covered in blood is not dropping the knife like she was asked to.

After the woman was on the ground and disarmed, the crowd is the problem, they were not get out of the way so the police could tend to the woman.

THERE WAS EVEN SOMEONE SAYING TO GRAB THE COP'S GUN. If the cop would have heard or reacted to that, this could have escalated to something much bigger.

My question is this, why is there an Alzhemimer's patient left in a car with a KNIFE to begin with?
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Fox



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Carla wrote:
My question is this, why is there an Alzhemimer's patient left in a car with a KNIFE to begin with?


That is a good question.
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Ilsanman



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I blame the irresponsible idiot who left a demented old lady alone.

I don't think it was racism, but excessive force, quite possibly.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I could see, that crowd is the problem. Once the take-down occurred, you can see a few people (one woman in particular, possibly the daughter) try to grab the old woman (and possibly the officer). WTF were they thinking? As well, the mouths on the crowd added to the situation - "the Police just beat down an 82 year old woman!"
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