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[humanuspneumos]

Those foreigners who have experienced these things in larger or lesser doses are perhaps fortunate in that all romanticism about "living in another country" is bled out and understanding of the extremely abused around the world is ushered in. For example: I never thought about reading articles on the plight of foreign workers around the world. It was always the romantic/shocking asia- never the "we trap, hold, threaten, and abuse" asia. I never really gave a rats ass about what went on behind the scenes. I never thought- just enjoyed or used. This could potentially spin-off into something positive as a global citizen.


On the other hand, I'm terribly tempted to be pssssssed off that my country breaks its back to fully pamper (immigrants), enable(immigrants), and has even become a haven for Asian-based Organized crime in unmanageable/staggering levels- the races that abuse foreign teachers and offer almost nil rights to them. I'm tempted to beg our goverment to close the doors to these people and offer "their own" (whoever that is- this could boil down to another form of racism on my part) incentives - large ones- to stay at home and become a domestic super power, have lots of kids, and to invade the earth with an even deeper proliferation of corporations that respect humans beyond being property.

[tsgarp]

Shouldn't you be out on a ledge somewhere?

[humanuspneumos]

Wow- - shouldn't you be in handcuffs? You know- cuffed to your ideas.

[rapier]

Its good that we experience these prejudices at some point- its certainly taught me a few things. hardship is a priveledge in life, because it teaches you a lot more.
It'd be good if koreans experienced the same things once in a while as well. Which is why it was nice to come across the odd lone korean backpacker in Australia, for example- rather than mass groups of Koreans in other countries surrounding themselves perpetually in a korean bubble....

[On the other hand]

[humanuspneumos]

Hmmmmm- I'll have to think about that- could work. Anyway- tempted.

[Gwangjuboy]

[Homer]

So g-boy,

By that logic, since people in many third world nations treat westerners with disdain and since their governments are usually more authoritarian and fsometimes favor public executions you would have our home countries change the rules of immigration for them?

Isn't that sinking to their level?
How does that do anything except prove that two wrongs don't make a right?

Also your talking about basing national policy based on the internal laws of another country regarding their own affairs...yeah that would fly in any parliement-senate of a western nation...

If Korea or another country that has almost no AIDS cases wishes to deport any found AIDS cases then thats their bloody right isn't it?

As for deportation rules, since when do countries have to follow the lowest common denominator?

This was funny...thanks

[rapier]

[quote="Homer"]So g-boy,

By that logic, since people in many third world nations treat westerners with disdain and since their governments are usually more authoritarian and fsometimes favor public executions you would have our home countries change the rules of immigration for them?

Isn't that sinking to their level?
How does that do anything except prove that two wrongs don't make a right"
(Quote Homer)

-True , Homer, but there's no point all western nations holding good and liberal attitudes when all it results in is getting walked over by other nations...immigration- an invasion by the back door...

[TheUrbanMyth]

[quote="Gwangjuboy
Korean treatment of foreign teachers should certainly be a determining factor in Western immigration policy. .[/quote]



Why would or should Western immigration care about a few thousand expats who have (a) left the country. (b) don't pay taxes (most of them) and (c) choose to live and work in another country? If you want to live in a country where you have "rights" (your words) the U.K is still available to you.

[rapier]

Urban myth: actually, the UK is more concerned about looking after immigrants than protecting the rights of British people..its a PC world gone mad over there. If a gang of Arab thugs robs you at gunpoint and you knock one out in self defence, the police will jail your ass for racist assault.

[Homer]

Rapier

[Gwangjuboy]

[mithridates]

I prefer it to being ignored in Canada...^^

Today I went to talk to some people at immigration. Quite hard-headed, those people; seems that I need a contract to get a new visa in March. They didn't seem to care about anything else (though they were quite nice at the same time that they were being hard-headed).

Then I got a call from KBS to go in for an interview on the radio tomorrow night. Those racist Koreans, calling me for an interview just because I'm not Korean!

(that was a joke for those who can't detect sarcasm through typing)

I don't think it's worse or better here overall, just extreme. That's why so many people go through highs and lows here.

One day: A nice guy gave me his umbrella, bought me dinner, and gave me some money on top of it!
Another day: A drunken guy gave me trouble on the subway when I was holding my Korean gf's hand...


Korean immigration is almost nonexistent, as it hasn't been a desirable country for immigrants to live in for a long period of time. I think these discrepancies should even out in time as Korea gets bad press every time they get caught using unfair policies when it comes to immigration.

[humanuspneumos]

The immigration argument: We need more people.

I think I mentioned this somewhere- that- the government refrained from larger incentives for our own nationals to have kids. Refrain might have been tolerable but- the reverse has happened over two decades.

Jobs that were $10.00 an hour in 1980 are now $11.00-13.00 an hour. This happened over 24 years while a rental that was $300.00 then is $600.00 now. While gas was 50% less then. While all commodities have lept forward in price-almost doubling. People who used to live in a comfortable life-style under their parents- when there was equity/wealth- came under the grip of reality that a similar life-style wasn't at all possible with similar conditions- 3-4 children under their roof. Maybe their parents had it tough at times but there was a visible progression in wages that extended hope-belief in a brighter future.

Taxes are another story.

So- the slight of hand- bring in people to balance out an experiment gone bad- bring in people with no prior reference point of what our country was in its economic/social climate (the feeling of progress- moving forward- getting ahead).

They come- behave like they did in their homeland (working 12-15 hours a day) without blinking. However, also behaving in similar ways by bringing gangs, groups, clubs, and affiliations with roots in organized crime and the silence that wouldn't deal with or see the organized crime in their own families/country.

So- for the larger populace we got some skilled workers who didn't qualify to work at their trad in our countries due to policies (doctors for example).

So- for the larger populace we got an influx of well documented, syndicated, organized, lethal forces called - Asian-based Organized Crime.

So- for the larger populace we got millions of dollars of governmental processing fees to process illegals/legals daily.

All of this while other countries- the countries where they come from- can't even uphold a very, very, very basic Need (need-not right) of pay.

Me thinx it would take a knucklehead to not be steamed a bit.

International terrorism and the bases they nicely have set-up throughout the world is yet another story- a story that must have criminals and terrorists comfortably laughing in their armchairs- "Stupid Westerners-always wanting to be nice- now look at them."
Have we now reached a time to turn off the key on the immigration train? Does it seem time to begin mopping up past mistakes built on false presumption. Perhaps "the land of the free" won't be a land at all if things keep moving the direction they are going?