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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The only difference is, of course, that there were fewer cars back in the 80s, and the cars were smaller and slower.

Now there are more cars, the cars are gigantic, gas guzzlers and they zoom from 0-100m in matters of seconds.

Plus people have less respect for traffic laws these day.


Exactly...that is a perfect example of using perspective vs snapshot judgement.

There are more cars today, they are faster but the cars of the 70s and 80s were on average heavier.

The thing is that attitudes are not affected by volume of traffic. Mass car use is still relatively new here. It will take time for people to move into the car seat-seat-belt mentality.

Back in Canada when I grew up, we wore no seatbealts. As kids, our parents would let us sleep on the back seat (lying down). Seatbelt use had to be enforced through laws, much like helmet wearing for motorcycles. Lets not judge a place based on a comparison from places where cars have been around as mass transport for a longer period of time.

Thats the only point I am making.

As for less respect for traffic laws...as opposed to when tzechuk? I am genuinely curious here. Did you read some study on this? Interesting thing to say anyway.
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tremendous



Joined: 12 Aug 2009

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, people should be able to do what they want if it only affects them, but these kids jumping around in their cars affect everyone on the road. It's not just that they don't have their seatbelt on. It's the fact that they are all standing on the seat, or their head is out the window, or they are hanging off their father's shoulder as he's trying to drive. So it's a dangerous situation for everybody. Koreans have enough distractions as it is.
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Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Car Seat Requirement in Korea Is Short-lived
by Kim Soe-jung, JoongAng Daily (August 07, 2006)
http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2795135
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... Now that he is 3, Ms. Jeong, 33, a middle school teacher in Seoul, buckles him up next to her in the back.
".... My friends also don't use one because it is difficult to set up and the car seat takes a lot of space," she said.

In Korea, just 12 percent of drivers with children said they used car seats last year, according to a National Police Agency survey. More children in Korea are killed by vehicles -- in traffic accidents or on the street -- than in any other of the 29 countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

In 2003, four out of 100,000 children died in traffic accidents in Korea, about four times the rate of Sweden, which had the lowest rate...

New transportation laws required children under the age of 6 to use a car seat with the seat belt on. Failure to do so meant a fine of 30,000 won ($31), the National Police Agency announced. Parents complained and the next day, the police agency dropped the plan....

"We don't have to do what foreigners do in their countries. We have our own way to take care of babies,"
another posting at the agency's Web site said....

S. Korea Ranks 3rd in Accident-related Deaths Among OECD Nations: Report
Yonhap News (May 6, 2009)
http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/national/2009/05/06/76/0302000000AEN20090506005200320F.HTML
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Tundra_Creature



Joined: 11 Jun 2009
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Elvis Gratton wrote:
Wow what a shocking experience you're having here. What will you do when you visit rural Canada and see kids riding around in the back of a pick-up?


Heh- I was one of those kids. Actually, in my noname town, we still don't ride without seatbelts and kids ride around on skidoos and ATVs all the time.

I'm not gonna say there aren't accidents- there are- but oddly enough, most happen late at night, when someone's had a bit too much to drink.
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GoldMember



Joined: 24 Oct 2006

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seat belts are only needed in the front of the car and not the back. This is because the laws of physics in Korea only apply to those sitting in the front seats. You must understand Korea is special case, laws of physics are different in Korea.
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The evil penguin



Joined: 24 May 2003
Location: Doing something naughty near you.....

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GoldMember wrote:
Seat belts are only needed in the front of the car and not the back. This is because the laws of physics in Korea only apply to those sitting in the front seats. You must understand Korea is special case, laws of physics are different in Korea.


Korea has FOUR laws of physics!
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canadians are much, much safer drivers than Koreans will ever be. I'd say a Korean kid in a car wearing a seatbelt is in more danger than a Canadian kid not wearing one.
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Cheonmunka



Joined: 04 Jun 2004

PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Three times so far I've had the opportunity to point out to my wife the sense of belts, passing scenes of accidents. They were bumpers smashes really, the front ends were damaged but the rest of the car was fine. However, I said, "Those guys would be fine, but look closely at the windscreen." Sure enough, the windscreens on all three smashes had been punched out - from the inside. "That's their heads," I explained.

But, on that note, seat belts, unless they are really adequately harnessing the shoulders will do f-all in the case of a speedy crash. The rear belts, they just don't work that well. If they do actually hold you somewhat in place your head and body will still be mangled against the squashing steel.

I would wish we were all strapped in Nascars, then I would feel safe.
Oh, but I did feel very safe back in NZ, as I had a Swedish brick and those cars are really solid.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I feel naked driving in a car without a seatbelt, even in the back seat. Child seatbelt laws should be mandatory and helmets for passengers on bikes.

BUT that's only for children. Adults should be allowed to crash and drive if they want.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I often get into trouble from the wife when I call out to other motorists "Don't you love your children?" It's a shame I don't speak Korean.

Yes we used to do many stupid things in Western countries on the road in the past, I mean in Australia driving distances in the country used to be measured in the number of beers you drank on the trip. Cairns to Mt Isa was a carton/slab trip. We changed.

Korea keeps using the excuse we are a newly developed country, and thus allow over 10,000 Koreans to die on the roads every year.

If Koreans would use their incredible passion less for protesting N1H1 and MCD and channel it towards the road toll, I believe they could halve it in 1 year.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I mean if anything is going to change things here its us foreigners talking to the natives in a condescending manner. Rolling Eyes

I'm worried to even ride a bike here.

Traffic here is terrible and it was terrible back home. Drunk Drivers, High Speed Car Chases, Street Racing- basically young male fueled nonsense.

Sorry if there is one indicator of stupidity when it comes to the road it isn't nationality, it is age followed closely by gender.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
I often get into trouble from the wife when I call out to other motorists "Don't you love your children?" It's a shame I don't speak Korean.

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Maybe you should read this link http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics.htm

in the years 1994, 96, 97 and 98 over 40,000 Americans were killed in traffic accidents per year. Each year there was around 3-4 MILLION injuries. This dwarfs Korea's traffic accidents.

And according to that article Mexico and America lose more children in traffic accidents than Korea. One wonders why you aren't back in those countries taunting the other motorists.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: children and babies without seatbelts!!!! Reply with quote

Richard Krainium wrote:

Do you think American kids were strapped in with baby seats and seatbelts up until the mid 80's? Your parents survived somehow. Relax!


yet many did not. What type of logic are you actually using here? Because our parents survived something, we should not be afraid of it? Does that work for war as well? Disease?

Is this the motto you live your life by?

"Ah, my ancestors survived without cooking their food - I can do it too!"


I'm sure your ancestors would be proud. Confused



TheUrbanMyth wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
I often get into trouble from the wife when I call out to other motorists "Don't you love your children?" It's a shame I don't speak Korean.

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Maybe you should read this link http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics.htm

in the years 1994, 96, 97 and 98 over 40,000 Americans were killed in traffic accidents per year. Each year there was around 3-4 MILLION injuries. This dwarfs Korea's traffic accidents.

And according to that article Mexico and America lose more children in traffic accidents than Korea. One wonders why you aren't back in those countries taunting the other motorists.


1. Your lnk does not work.

and

2. Are those stats per capita?
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camp0400



Joined: 26 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the input everyone! i knew someone would show up with some stats to support my claims that these weren't isolated incidents i was witnessing. i'm not neccessarily saying that seat belt use for children should be made a law, but rather the public at large could do some good with some simple public service announcements. what harm could that do?

also, i don't belive that just because a society is "new" to a certain technological advancement such as cars that they are entitled to a grace period to use them in whatever manner they choose or that using a seatbelt is a "western" idea and we shouldn't be pushing our imperial agenda on them. it's simple: a small child standing up in the front/back seat of a moving vehicle will sustain severe injuries or death in the event of an accident at even moderate speeds.

nationalism has absolutely no place in this discussion. i hate it when they bring it up in stuff like this:
"We don't have to do what foreigners do in their countries. We have our own way to take care of babies," another posting at the agency's Web site said....
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Cheonmunka



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that parents get their children to stand up on the seats so that other motorists can see them and so be careful when driving near the vehicle they are in.
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