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pie eater
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
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What crap are you talking about? The E2 visa is dead? Are you on drugs?
So SMOE or worknplay have gone all Jesus Christ like and have contacted the South Korean embassies of the seven countries and stated 'right cancel xxx visas on 24 hours notice if you please' Thats not how it works.
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So how does it work then?
What have they got to lose? Well, a partial refund on their plane ticket, money for transportation/food/housing after they arrive, not knowing a lick of Korean, having no friends to count on, trying to fight SMOE....I would say they had a lot to lose. More than if they just stayed home and try again from there. |
Check it out - but anyone who flys out tomorrow or the next day won't be getting any refund on any flight if they cancel now and would have probably lost 70% of their money if they cancelled last week. It all depends on the situation you are in now - I mean - say you have given up your flat and had your goodbye party and you are ready to fly to Gimpo tomorrow and then some tw@t from worknplay writes you an email like that?
If they have money and are confident about having a go and trying to resolve this - then do it! Because doing nothing means losing a not insignificant amount of money at this juncture. |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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Check it out - but anyone who flys out tomorrow or the next day won't be getting any refund on any flight if they cancel now and would have probably lost 70% of their money if they cancelled last week. It all depends on the situation you are in now - I mean - say you have given up your flat and had your goodbye party and you are ready to fly to Gimpo tomorrow and then some tw@t from worknplay writes you an email like that? |
This isn't an answer to my question. This is just outlining their situation and yes, it is far from good. We know that. Please tell me how their current E2 status will be handled and how coming here with no job (ergo no E2) will be of service to them.
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| If they have money and are confident about having a go and trying to resolve this - then do it! Because doing nothing means losing a not insignificant amount of money at this juncture. |
Sure, if they have a nestegg they are willing to risk, then go for it. Right...doing nothing means a loss, but look at the facts. Coming and trying to take SMOE to task/getting a new job while starting from scratch...clearly this will cost more for all the reasons I outlined.
If you are so gung-ho, put these guys up in your pad until things work out. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
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What crap are you talking about? The E2 visa is dead? Are you on drugs?
So SMOE or worknplay have gone all Jesus Christ like and have contacted the South Korean embassies of the seven countries and stated 'right cancel xxx visas on 24 hours notice if you please' Thats not how it works.
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So how does it work then?
What have they got to lose? Well, a partial refund on their plane ticket, money for transportation/food/housing after they arrive, not knowing a lick of Korean, having no friends to count on, trying to fight SMOE....I would say they had a lot to lose. More than if they just stayed home and try again from there. |
Check it out - but anyone who flys out tomorrow or the next day won't be getting any refund on any flight if they cancel now and would have probably lost 70% of their money if they cancelled last week. It all depends on the situation you are in now - I mean - say you have given up your flat and had your goodbye party and you are ready to fly to Gimpo tomorrow and then some tw@t from worknplay writes you an email like that?
If they have money and are confident about having a go and trying to resolve this - then do it! Because doing nothing means losing a not insignificant amount of money at this juncture. |
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pie eater
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: The Bando
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Demophobe"]
This isn't an answer to my question. This is just outlining their situation and yes, it is far from good. We know that. Please tell me how their current E2 status will be handled and how coming here with no job (ergo no E2) will be of service to them. |
Oobviously - they are going to need some help - it looks like worknplay can step up and sort this all out - they have hagwon jobs listed so if I was in the position of the person flying out tomorrow - I would come - ring worknplay and have them sort out a letter of release from SMOE - sure - this is down to previous knowledge of me working of Korea. If I wasn't so confident about handling the above situation- I would write to worknplay and ask them to get me a letter of release so I could look for other work with my E2 visa because when all is said and done - they have a legal document to work in South Korea at this moment in time! The E2 visa stuck in their passport.
If the said person has just sent their docs away then don't come - someone who is coming within the next week - a drastic chance needs to be took.
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Sure, if they have a nestegg they are willing to risk, then go for it. Right...doing nothing means a loss, but look at the facts. Coming and trying to take SMOE to task/getting a new job while starting from scratch...clearly this will cost more for all the reasons I outlined.
If you are so gung-ho, put these guys up in your pad until things work out. |
Listen mate, I am going to China in two weeks!  Yeah - they can stay with me if they can get their arse to Zhengzhou! I have helped useless waygooks out before with cash, tea and sympathy the last time I was in Korea - there are waygooks with sob stories aplenty stranded in the bando - we both know this!
However - the various public schools were not interested in my fantastic Linguistics/TEFL degree and fantastic non-North American accent so I had to seek employment elsewhere thus all I can offer is a bit of advice online.  |
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pie eater
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: The Bando
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| halfmanhalfbiscuit wrote: |
| pie eater wrote: |
| Demophobe wrote: |
| pie eater wrote: |
What crap are you talking about? The E2 visa is dead? Are you on drugs?
So SMOE or worknplay have gone all Jesus Christ like and have contacted the South Korean embassies of the seven countries and stated 'right cancel xxx visas on 24 hours notice if you please' Thats not how it works.
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So how does it work then?
What have they got to lose? Well, a partial refund on their plane ticket, money for transportation/food/housing after they arrive, not knowing a lick of Korean, having no friends to count on, trying to fight SMOE....I would say they had a lot to lose. More than if they just stayed home and try again from there. |
Check it out - but anyone who flys out tomorrow or the next day won't be getting any refund on any flight if they cancel now and would have probably lost 70% of their money if they cancelled last week. It all depends on the situation you are in now - I mean - say you have given up your flat and had your goodbye party and you are ready to fly to Gimpo tomorrow and then some tw@t from worknplay writes you an email like that?
If they have money and are confident about having a go and trying to resolve this - then do it! Because doing nothing means losing a not insignificant amount of money at this juncture. |
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I flew into Gimpo from London on Asiana the first time I came to Korea. |
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halfmanhalfbiscuit
Joined: 13 Oct 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Demophobe wrote: |
This isn't an answer to my question. This is just outlining their situation and yes, it is far from good. We know that. Please tell me how their current E2 status will be handled and how coming here with no job (ergo no E2) will be of service to them. |
Oobviously - they are going to need some help - it looks like worknplay can step up and sort this all out - they have hagwon jobs listed so if I was in the position of the person flying out tomorrow - I would come - ring worknplay and have them sort out a letter of release from SMOE - sure - this is down to previous knowledge of me working of Korea. If I wasn't so confident about handling the above situation- I would write to worknplay and ask them to get me a letter of release so I could look for other work with my E2 visa because when all is said and done - they have a legal document to work in South Korea at this moment in time! The E2 visa stuck in their passport.
If the said person has just sent their docs away then don't come - someone who is coming within the next week - a drastic chance needs to be took.
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Sure, if they have a nestegg they are willing to risk, then go for it. Right...doing nothing means a loss, but look at the facts. Coming and trying to take SMOE to task/getting a new job while starting from scratch...clearly this will cost more for all the reasons I outlined.
If you are so gung-ho, put these guys up in your pad until things work out. |
Listen mate, I am going to China in two weeks! Yeah - they can stay with me if they can get their arse to Zhengzhou! I have helped useless waygooks out before with cash, tea and sympathy the last time I was in Korea - there are waygooks with sob stories aplenty stranded in the bando - we both know this!
However - the various public schools were not interested in my fantastic Linguistics/TEFL degree and fantastic non-North American accent so I had to seek employment elsewhere thus all I can offer is a bit of advice online. |
Ha!!That's a hell of a bait and switch!! It's the K-Esler cynic in me . |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Oobviously - they are going to need some help - it looks like worknplay can step up and sort this all out - they have hagwon jobs listed so if I was in the position of the person flying out tomorrow - I would come - ring worknplay and have them sort out a letter of release from SMOE - sure - this is down to previous knowledge of me working of Korea. If I wasn't so confident about handling the above situation- I would write to worknplay and ask them to get me a letter of release so I could look for other work with my E2 visa because when all is said and done - they have a legal document to work in South Korea at this moment in time! The E2 visa stuck in their passport. |
So they should come and count on worknplay to sort this out. A LOR? From what? A job that doesn't exist? Listen carefully: Their E2 visas are dead. Gone. Finished. Never took off, so don't need to land.
Meh. You are giving them bad advice and still not answering my question. Sure, come...all the while bleeding money, no friends, lost in the language and culture with faith in strangers who, if hard pressed (which they won't be; they owe these folks no more than anyone else), will stick these folks into the first job that pops up...and we know where that will likely lead.
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Listen mate, I am going to China in two weeks! Yeah - they can stay with me if they can get their arse to Zhengzhou! I have helped useless waygooks out before with cash, tea and sympathy the last time I was in Korea - there are waygooks with sob stories aplenty stranded in the bando - we both know this!
However - the various public schools were not interested in my fantastic Linguistics/TEFL degree and fantastic non-North American accent so I had to seek employment elsewhere thus all I can offer is a bit of advice online. |
So let them use your pad while you are away.
Anyhow, you can't find good employment and you are here, qualified with experience, yet you tell them to come and act like all will be fine? You have no vested interest in these people and are shouting a hollow warcry. |
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pie eater
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
Location: The Bando
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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| So they should come and count on worknplay to sort this out. A LOR? From what? A job that doesn't exist? Listen carefully: Their E2 visas are dead. Gone. Finished. Never took off, so don't need to land. |
Its not a brilliant situation to be in but it isn't a 'dead' situation either, they can on the back of these E2 visas get a LOR from SMOE (Which is academic because as you have stated they don't have a job with them) and get someone else to sponsor the visa. Where is Ttompatz when we need him - he would back me up on this!
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| Meh. You are giving them bad advice and still not answering my question. Sure, come...all the while bleeding money, no friends, lost in the language and culture with faith in strangers who, if hard pressed (which they won't be; they owe these folks no more than anyone else), will stick these folks into the first job that pops up...and we know where that will likely lead. |
It is a frying pan/fire situation - maybe a lot of these people have given up homes, jobs and whatnot on the premise that they have employment only to be told with 24 hours notice that said employment is withdrawn. A lot of these people might be in the shit as it is anyway.
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| So let them use your pad while you are away. |
If I had a bit more notice - I would have entrusted you with the keys to help these daft sods out! 24 hours notice is not enough for anyone except for some Korean prat trying to screw us.
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| Anyhow, you can't find good employment and you are here, qualified with experience, yet you tell them to come and act like all will be fine? You have no vested interest in these people and are shouting a hollow warcry. |
I can't find employment in Korea this year based on other factors that has nothing to do with experience, qualifications and ability but based on race, skin colour, name and type of English I speak! The powers that be seem to want young North Americans! Anyhow - this is not the place to start giving out my sob story! |
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Demophobe
Joined: 17 May 2004
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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Its not a brilliant situation to be in but it isn't a 'dead' situation either, they can on the back of these E2 visas get a LOR from SMOE (Which is academic because as you have stated they don't have a job with them) and get someone else to sponsor the visa. Where is Ttompatz when we need him - he would back me up on this! |
While this is true, they don't know the status of their visas. If I were notified in the manner in which they were, I would assume that my visa is as good as gone...I sure wouldn't fly around the world on the hope that it wasn't dead....yet.
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| It is a frying pan/fire situation - maybe a lot of these people have given up homes, jobs and whatnot on the premise that they have employment only to be told with 24 hours notice that said employment is withdrawn. A lot of these people might be in the shit as it is anyway. |
Right. They are in the fry pan and you tell them to jump into the fire. There is a reason the frying pan comes first in that metaphor. They may well be in dire straits, but coming here is the same, but with the added burden or jet lag, language and culture to overcome. And no friends or family around to help or support....
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| If I had a bit more notice - I would have entrusted you with the keys to help these daft sods out! 24 hours notice is not enough for anyone except for some Korean prat trying to screw us. |
Now they are daft sods? I thought (based on what you are wailing about) they were poor, hapless victims of the man?
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| I can't find employment in Korea this year based on other factors that has nothing to do with experience, qualifications and ability but based on race, skin colour, name and type of English I speak! The powers that be seem to want young North Americans! Anyhow - this is not the place to start giving out my sob story! |
No, this isn't the place to state why you are running yet telling them to come. |
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Tiberious aka Sparkles
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| What about a joint lawsuit? |
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travelingfool
Joined: 10 Mar 2008
Location: Parents' basement
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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Coming to Korea with no job lined up is total lunacy. I know because I attempted it once and it cost me dearly. Korea ain't cheap. These poor saps will be hemorrhaging money while being in a totally unfamiliar culture. What about luggage? Are these people going to lug around giant bags of stuff? What happens if after a couple of weeks or a month they haven't found anything? They will have to shell out for a ticket back home.
If I were in this situation I would find out exactly the status of the visa. What if SMOE or whoever drags their feet and blows them off? What if they have to resubmit everything again? These are things best discovered from your home country. Having dealt with Korean schools, immigration, etc, the only thing you can count on is that you can't count on anything. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Where's an apologist to defend SMOE and the royal country of Korea? |
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asmith
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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This is unprecedented. And it just goes to show that we are on the cust of the Greatest Depression. Westerners flocking to Asia because they can't find jobs? First time in the history of the world.
Maybe you can give China a try. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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i'm right there with you. i know i've already posted on the other threads but i just have to say i'm in the same boat. less than 24 hours when i got my call--was supposed to leave tomorrow...
can we still use our E2 visas? i am just going to go if that works... |
Yes.
You will need a letter of release from SMOE which your recruiter will help you with and you are free to find another job in-country. If you went with a big recruiter like korvia or worknplay then you have jobs galore to choose from even if they are hagwons.
GEPIK might be a good fit also - most schools are an hour away from Seoul. |
Okay, with GEPIK schools, if being close to Seoul is a priority for you, try to get a location close to a subway stationon one of the Seoul subway lines. Some schools may actually be "closer to Seoul", but with doing things in Seoul, it's all about transportation and the Seoul subway lines are the key. There are many possible locations because there are many subway stations in Gyeonggi province.
http://www.urbanrail.net/as/seou/seoul-map.htm
Gyeonggi Province is huge- it surrounds Seoul- and, if you use a subway map to list potential locations for applying for jobs, make sure you use an up-to-date map. There is a new line (Gyeongui) that runs from Seoul Station to Munsan (light blue in the upper left of the above subway map) that is NOT listed on many subway maps. That subway line runs through Ilsan and other parts of Gyeonggi Province. |
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anynag
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| Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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i'm right there with you. i know i've already posted on the other threads but i just have to say i'm in the same boat. less than 24 hours when i got my call--was supposed to leave tomorrow...
can we still use our E2 visas? i am just going to go if that works... |
Yes.
You will need a letter of release from SMOE which your recruiter will help you with and you are free to find another job in-country. If you went with a big recruiter like korvia or worknplay then you have jobs galore to choose from even if they are hagwons.
GEPIK might be a good fit also - most schools are an hour away from Seoul. |
Okay, with GEPIK schools, if being close to Seoul is a priority for you, try to get a location close to a subway stationon one of the Seoul subway lines. Some schools may actually be "closer to Seoul", but with doing things in Seoul, it's all about transportation and the Seoul subway lines are the key. There are many possible locations because there are many subway stations in Gyeonggi province.
http://www.urbanrail.net/as/seou/seoul-map.htm
Gyeonggi Province is huge- it surrounds Seoul- and, if you use a subway map to list potential locations for applying for jobs, make sure you use an up-to-date map. There is a new line (Gyeongui) that runs from Seoul Station to Munsan (light blue in the upper left of the above subway map) that is NOT listed on many subway maps. That subway line runs through Ilsan and other parts of Gyeonggi Province. |
Yeah, many locations in Gyeonggi are 1 - 1.5 hours, or less, away from Seoul by subway. Here's a link to the most recent GEPIK contract: http://cge.ken.go.kr/contents/tbl_e_01_02/main_pds_content.asp?pds_no=20090128114301986880578&PageNo=1&category= |
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