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thurst
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul
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| I completely agree with you on the public trash cans. I asked a friend about it and she said that they started removing them when they started the taxgarbagebag system, but back in '02 for the World Cup out of fears of terrorism removed any remaining cans and they were never put back. She says that if I have garbage to just toss it on the ground, and even though she's Korean, I still can't accept that as the best answer... |
as dirty as it sounds, your friend is probably right that you're better off just tossing it on the ground since (at least where i live) ajummas wake early in the morning to clean the streets the same way convicts do back home in the states. |
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saw6436
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Daejeon, ROK
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| In my home town in the US, prisioners from the minimum and medium security prison sort all the waste from your home. We pay a one time fee or $50 for a BIG, wheeled, trash can (govt supplied if you can't afford to pay) and ALL waste goes into the can except grass clippings and tree branches. Those get piled on the curb and collected once a week. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:03 am Post subject: |
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| In my home town in the US, prisioners from the minimum and medium security prison sort all the waste from your home. We pay a one time fee or $50 for a BIG, wheeled, trash can (govt supplied if you can't afford to pay) and ALL waste goes into the can except grass clippings and tree branches. Those get piled on the curb and collected once a week. |
Could you clarify this please....As I understand, Corrections is handled by the state, not by the local government, yet your municipality is having its trash sorted. Possibly through a contract? This one time fee, is it yearly? If so I don't see how the state would not indebt itself by shipping its prisoners off to local facilitites to engage in waste sorting, not at $50/per municipal taxpayer/ per year. I mean it seems to me there would be some kind of Bell Curve in play with prisoner trash sorting, municipality size and expenses. Most corrections facilities do not exceed 2,000 people, so if they were engaged in waste sorting, given the amount of waste a community generates there would be an amount the corrections facility could handle per day. Plus given that most prisons are located a fair distance from communities there would be some significant transportation costs, not to mention the costs of supplying waste receptacles to the poor. If the state ships its garbage to the correctional facility I have to say I'm surprised at a state correctional facility being located right next to a landfill. If not, I would like an explanation of transportation costs. Transporting what 1,000 inmates a day would require a fleet of 20 buses with 1 driver and 3 guards per bus. That's 80 C.O.s for the fleet. I don't see how that can be done on $50 per person, per annum. Now given that this sorting would take a while there would probably be transported meals and such as well as other costs. Again a bigger hole in the $50 per year claim.
It stands to reason that a city that subsidizes waste receptacles to the poor is a fairly sizeable one. Say population of 150,000+ If so, the amount waste generated per day by a population of 150,000+ would be a significant amount, one that in all likelihood would exceed the logisitical capacity of a 2,000 inmate state penitentiary given transportation and equipment and security costs, not to mention that not all of those 2,000 would be part of the labor pool. After all trash sorting generates only a moderate amount of income for the municipality that enacts such a regulation. I would think that a city of 250,000 would generate enough trash so as to require a fleet of AT LEAST 25 grabage trucks to make a 50 mile round trip to the state pen every week. Factor in equipment, fuel, labor, and other costs the $50 per year figure seems unsustainable. If it was per month, then in that case you are spending $600/yr. on waste disposal. A figure which far exceeds the average municipality. I know I do not spend $600 a year on waste disposal. Heck I don't even spend $50.
Furthermore it stands to reason that if such a program WAS such a profitable enterprise to said municipality that other municiplaties would attempt to enact a similar program, which in all likelihood would overwhelm the system. Certainly such a program is not feasible for an entire state, for a municipality perhaps, but not an entire state.
What I'm trying to say is I'm calling B.S. but still allowing that you might be right, just please give some more detail. If so this program might be useful in other states. I've only glossed over the expenses and logistics necessary for such a program and it seems that there are some major hurdles.
Seriously give some detail. Your previous post with its poor grasp of statistics and expenditures puts me in the position of needing a more thorough explanation. The profitability of such a program seems to me to be highly in doubt. If it is nto profitable then that measn money is being drawn form education/social services/parks/etc. to do something that the people themselves could do.
Still, having prisoners sort waste is a bad idea when it comes to corrections security. I don't care if they are MinSec, you don't let prisoners near unidentified waste from a city. |
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thurst
Joined: 08 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| lol @ the idea of prisoners sorting through trash. what magical municipality are you from, may we ask? |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Why are the Koreans so strange regarding garbage? |
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Seems to me that any hi tech society or country that values the time of it's citizens would have a garbage system like we do in the US.....i.e. everything goes in the bag and it's sorted out at the garbage plant. Is that so much to ask?
I refuse to play the garbage separating game 100%. Generally I will separate my metal and glass, and sometimes my vegatable stuff. But if it's not specifically one of those categories, screw it.......it goes in the 'big bag' along with everything else.
Does anybody have any idea why the Koreans are so hung up about separating garbage? Considering that they do seem to like nice modern kitchens, I can't understate their attitudes with garbage. They give it as much attention as their kids almost. |
This might make you happy. I have been in Korea for over 10 years. Where I live now has the same system that I have seen 100's of times in Korea. Big Trash Cans each for a seperate type of trash (Glass, metal, plastic, etc.) Then, the cleaning people get these plastic bags that are about big enough for a Tico and mix it all back together. 
And check out what happens in many appartment complexes. The truck comes around, picks up all the stuff that has been separeted, tosses it all together, and CRUNCH.
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weebil
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| uhhh yeah. i have no idea how to acquire the necessary bags. i didnt discover i had to separate the trash until i already had about 2 grocery bags full of trash, which are now just sitting in my room. i would just go drop this stuff off at the local trash stop but theres a sign by it with the word "CCTV" in big red letters in english, and everything else in korean. so i dont know what to do, since the location is obviously under surveillance. the other teacher in my building who's been in korea 4 years said she never separates her trash and has never had a problem. i dont want to bring trouble upon myself or get fined or something, but i also need to get this trash out of my room. plus i understand the rules and bag types vary by location... so... i dunno. |
go to the family mart / GS24 / whatever and say to the clerk:
"SUREGI BONGTU JUSEYO"
If she asks you another question, it's probably the size, they're measured in liters so if you want the 20 liter bags, say:
"EE-SHIP"
It will cost you something like 7,000 won for a stack of maybe 20 of them (that's how the government pays for garbage collection).
Problem solved. |
ok, but will that buy me the trash bags for plastic, glass, paper, or some other miscellaneous trash content? |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| People who can't be bothered to recycle are rubbish. I've always thought it was a good system they have here in Korea and we should make recycling mandatory throughout England too. |
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seonsengnimble
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
Location: taking a ride on the magic English bus
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Overall, the system isn't so bad in my experience. From what I understand, there are really only three bags you need. You need the general government garbage bags, the food bags and the recyclable bag. The recyclable bag is an Emart/Homeplus/any bag you put your cans/bottles/plastics/paper in. The food is a little yellow bag, and the garbage bag is the white, government bag where you put everything else. I've never had to use separate bags for different recyclables.
The only thing I'm not too fond of is the food bag. I don't cook very often, so if I use the food bag, I have rotten food sitting in my apartment for quite a while, or I have to throw out a bag which is 1/5 full. I usually just dump my food waste in the general garbage bag. It doesn't harm the Environment because it's biodegradable.
Also, if you live in a decent Officetel, you can put all of your garbage in one bag, and it will be sorted for you. That's what a portion of the management fees goes towards. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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| People who can't be bothered to recycle are rubbish. I've always thought it was a good system they have here in Korea and we should make recycling mandatory throughout England too. |
Yes it would be a great system. Would be.... Read my above post.
That is what most often happens with what is supposed to be recycled. And after all of these years and having lived at different places where I know they mix it all together, I still separate. Have you been on college/university campus in Korea? That is the best example of where everything that is separated is then thrown back together into those huge Tico sized plastic bags, thrown onto big trucks, then........ |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| People who can't be bothered to recycle are rubbish. I've always thought it was a good system they have here in Korea and we should make recycling mandatory throughout England too. |
Yes it would be a great system. Would be.... Read my above post.
That is what most often happens with what is supposed to be recycled. And after all of these years and having lived at different places where I know they mix it all together, I still separate. Have you been on college/university campus in Korea? That is the best example of where everything that is separated is then thrown back together into those huge Tico sized plastic bags, thrown onto big trucks, then........ |
This is mostly the situation for dorms. It does not incluse the countless number of campuses where your chance of finding a public trashcan (not for recycling, but for anyting) is rarer than finding a 13 leaf clover in your left ear. So, as is done in millions of such situations in public in Korea, they just use the ground as a trashcan. Then someone puts it all in those Tico sized ................... |
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martypants
Joined: 15 Feb 2009
Location: Ulsan, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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In my neighborhood on the edge of Ulsan, we have a great system. I put all my
recycle stuff in one bag - all mixed up. No sorting, no separating. I put the trash in a special purple bag I have to buy (cheap) and my slop bucket goes on the curb where I pay $0.10 to have them dump it each time.
In another neighborhood we had the million sorting bags and the ajummas who would police your sorting and separating as if they were the trash police.
Life is good now |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I've got about 100 bottles sitting on my steps waiting for bottle day - Wed. I think. Can't be bothered getting it ready and carting it down .. Shoot, what if I miss the truck, gotta bring it all back up again. |
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| what? why? just leave it out there. the old people pulling carts will coem around and grab those and cash in. |
As far as I know one can't get cash for whiskey, wine, and small imported beer, bottles? |
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