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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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 Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:40 am Post subject: Re: children and babies without seatbelts!!!! |
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| Do you think American kids were strapped in with baby seats and seatbelts up until the mid 80's? Your parents survived somehow. Relax |
Bingo. Thats what happens when you judge something through a snapshot. Take a step back, get some perspective.... |
The only difference is, of course, that there were fewer cars back in the 80s, and the cars were smaller and slower.
Now there are more cars, the cars are gigantic, gas guzzlers and they zoom from 0-100m in matters of seconds.
Plus people have less respect for traffic laws these day. |
Umm.. Errr. say what?????
let's go back to the SEVENTIES.
There were no stupid seat belt laws, my dad had a HUGE metal chassis (no plastic BS) Buick which guzzled far more gas than anything short of a Hummer today, and it had a V8 engine.
I bought one of those cars when I started driving when much older. My friends called it "The Love Boat", because the thing was so damn big and roomy.
I love  the "shocked" politically correct anally uptight a-holes who express faux shock and outrage at such stuff. |
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marlow
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Are there actually people in this thread defending not using seat belts for kids, or is it my wife put acid in my Kool-Aid? |
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Tud Ferguson
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:51 am Post subject: |
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| Mind your own business, how about that? Let people do what they want. safty is great, but the safest place is in a cage, and that's where all this is headed anyways. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| marlow wrote: |
| Are there actually people in this thread defending not using seat belts for kids, or is it my wife put acid in my Kool-Aid? |
No one is defending anything. Its called perspective and judgement. When we lived in Korea we used car seats for our son. Thats our choice. I was not about to judge Koreans as a group for the way they raise their kids or use car seats (or not use) based on my life experiences in Canada. Two different societies...two different points in time..... |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:37 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| marlow wrote: |
| Are there actually people in this thread defending not using seat belts for kids, or is it my wife put acid in my Kool-Aid? |
No one is defending anything. Its called perspective and judgement. When we lived in Korea we used car seats for our son. Thats our choice. I was not about to judge Koreans as a group for the way they raise their kids or use car seats (or not use) based on my life experiences in Canada. Two different societies...two different points in time..... |
Sometimes cultural relativism doesn't cut it.
Unless I'm mistaken an accident involving kids with no seat belts or car seats won't have a better outcome for the children than one where they wear seat belts or use car seats. The kids don't know any better, so I'll judge away upon the parents if you won't. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Thats arrogant Marlow and who are you to judge Korean parents?
I am not trying to insult you but really who are you to judge them. I respect their choice and make my own choices when it comes to my kids.
This is not cultural relativism. Korea is still in relative infancy when it comes to mass use of cars. It takes time to develop a "car culture" and even longer to develop a "car safety culture". Avoid judging people...its usually only a good way to show arrogance.
You want to discuss car safety and kids..do so with your Korean friends in a reasoned and individual manner.
Their country, their culture....your country your culture. All is well when people understand that. |
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mssinmymind
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:57 am Post subject: Re: children and babies without seatbelts!!!! |
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Do you think American kids were strapped in with baby seats and seatbelts up until the mid 80's? Your parents survived somehow. Relax![/quote]
I have to agree here...I was born in 1970 and remember the good ole days when my brother and I leaned over the tail gate watching the road pass by in a blur, or jumping up and down in the back of the pickup as we went over the big hill that made your tummy turn, and even the time we would stand up behind the cab of the pickup with the wind blowing our faces half way off, trying to see who could do it the longest without holding on......awww the memories!!
And yet we both managed to not only survive but had children of our own which we now strap into the back seat with sun screens securely in place on each of the windows and the extra large "baby mirror" attached to the windshield so that we can monitor the baby as we drive......ohhh not to mention, all the whilst taking calls on our cells  
I totally support child car seats and would never drive, now days, without a baby in one...but each country's laws and cultures are different...what can we do?!?! |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Korea is still in relative infancy when it comes to mass use of cars. It takes time to develop a "car culture" and even longer to develop a "car safety culture". |
They've managed to create luxury cars, freeways, speed limits, traffic lights, seat belts, air bags, etc., but they can't pass a law requiring use of seat belts and car seats for children? I don't buy it. |
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nobbyken
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Wow what a shocking experience you're having here. What will you do when you visit rural Canada and see kids riding around in the back of a pick-up? |
...or rural Scotland where kids help out by driving pick-ups and tractors.
In Italy I believe I heard that they dislike seatbelts as wearing them is a sign of acceptance that you're going to crash.
With an infant travelling in the back of our car sometimes, let me tell you that they often want to move and pull at their childseat belts. Sometimes, if not allowed to move to a different seat, the resulting tantrum can cause more of a danger to many people as the driver tries not to get distracted.
I certainly take more care and look more intently for hazards which may require breaking when my child is not belted in. Mum always tries to keep her comfortable and belted up and we're alway's looking for more spacious and less constricting child seats. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: children and babies without seatbelts!!!! |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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I often get into trouble from the wife when I call out to other motorists "Don't you love your children?" It's a shame I don't speak Korean.
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Maybe you should read this link http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics.htm
in the years 1994, 96, 97 and 98 over 40,000 Americans were killed in traffic accidents per year. Each year there was around 3-4 MILLION injuries. This dwarfs Korea's traffic accidents.
And according to that article Mexico and America lose more children in traffic accidents than Korea. One wonders why you aren't back in those countries taunting the other motorists. |
1. Your lnk does not work.
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2. Are those stats per capita? |
1. My apologies...don't know what's wrong with it...but here's a better link with more up to date statistics and links to plenty of information.
http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html
2. See the link above. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:29 pm Post subject: Re: children and babies without seatbelts!!!! |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
t;]
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I often get into trouble from the wife when I call out to other motorists "Don't you love your children?" It's a shame I don't speak Korean.
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Maybe you should read this link http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics.htm
in the years 1994, 96, 97 and 98 over 40,000 Americans were killed in traffic accidents per year. Each year there was around 3-4 MILLION injuries. This dwarfs Korea's traffic accidents.
And according to that article Mexico and America lose more children in traffic accidents than Korea. One wonders why you aren't back in those countries taunting the other motorists. |
1. Your lnk does not work.
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2. Are those stats per capita? |
1. My apologies...don't know what's wrong with it...but here's a better link with more up to date statistics and links to plenty of information.
http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html
2. See the link above. |
UB, as far as I can see, your link does not even include S. Korea in its stats. Making it useless for this thread.
Here's a more meaningful link showing the most accurate measurement of a country's car safety, IMO, which is the fatalities per billion km's of car use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
You can see that, per billion km's driven, Koreans have more than twice as many road fatalities as Americans.
The record of the US isn't that hot though. Which is surprising given the quality of the roads there and the many decades of car use.
And what's up with the Czech Republic?? Over 20 deaths per billion km. I'm guessing drink-driving is still widespread there.
The Brits come out really well. Not surprising if you've driven there. Lots of police crackdowns, speed cameras, and very polite drivers (usually). Plus, a very stringent driving test Britain. I mean tough!! From what I've been told about the US and Korean driving tests, the Brit one seems 3 times harder. |
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nobbyken
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Last I knew the UK test consisted of 3 sections. Highway code section on a PC screen, a hazard perception test with a moving road on screen and then the actual driving on public roads for 50 mins (3 minor crosses and you're out).
My wife passed her test on a track in Korea and has been to scared to drive on a public road here. |
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marlow
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Changwon Charlie
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Some parents will only learn when their baby is flying like superbaby and hits the road with not too pretty after effects.
I don't wish it on the children ever but sometimes when I see the parents letting their children just be twits in the car I do wish it on them.... |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: children and babies without seatbelts!!!! |
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| eamo wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
t;]
| big_fella1 wrote: |
I often get into trouble from the wife when I call out to other motorists "Don't you love your children?" It's a shame I don't speak Korean.
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Maybe you should read this link http://www.safecarguide.com/exp/statistics.htm
in the years 1994, 96, 97 and 98 over 40,000 Americans were killed in traffic accidents per year. Each year there was around 3-4 MILLION injuries. This dwarfs Korea's traffic accidents.
And according to that article Mexico and America lose more children in traffic accidents than Korea. One wonders why you aren't back in those countries taunting the other motorists. |
1. Your lnk does not work.
and
2. Are those stats per capita? |
1. My apologies...don't know what's wrong with it...but here's a better link with more up to date statistics and links to plenty of information.
http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/stats.html
2. See the link above. |
UB, as far as I can see, your link does not even include S. Korea in its stats. Making it useless for this thread.
Here's a more meaningful link showing the most accurate measurement of a country's car safety, IMO, which is the fatalities per billion km's of car use.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OECD_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
You can see that, per billion km's driven, Koreans have more than twice as many road fatalities as Americans.
The record of the US isn't that hot though. Which is surprising given the quality of the roads there and the many decades of car use.
And what's up with the Czech Republic?? Over 20 deaths per billion km. I'm guessing drink-driving is still widespread there.
The Brits come out really well. Not surprising if you've driven there. Lots of police crackdowns, speed cameras, and very polite drivers (usually). Plus, a very stringent driving test Britain. I mean tough!! From what I've been told about the US and Korean driving tests, the Brit one seems 3 times harder. |
TUM, I usually agree with most of your posts, but that was intellectually dishonest.
eamo, that's a far better link. |
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